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Orchestrating Loans in Civ V

mrt144

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So I've been playing the demo and the AI apparently doesn't get the concept that providing them with 94 gold now doesn't mean I should be afforded 3 gold per turn for 30 turns. :lol:

FV/(1+r) where r = lowest interest rate for 30 years the AI can find among city states and other civs.
 
Well I got a few loans in my last game (as Prince). Wasn't easy, and I had to be on good terms with the AI (yes, diplomacy is real and alive in Civ5!!!)

In fact, I was on such good terms with that same AI, that he did the following:

Alexander declared war on me, captured Shanghai which I had captured from China in our previous alliance against her... And the turn after offered me peace, 980 gold, 17 gpt, open boarders.

I guess he just really wanted the city (which he then razed and founded another one a tile lower).

A bit weird.... But loans ARE possible!
 
3 gpt is about right, given the minimum loan increment is 30 gold (1gpt x 30 turns). You wouldn't expect the AI to give you 120 gold (4gpt x 30 turns) for 94 just because you felt like giving it a loan, do you?

The AI will sometimes give you a loan if you request it, however. The rate is usually around 50% interest over the entire 30 turns. (But if you think of how many years are in a turn, that's actually a pretty good rate. ;) )
 
3 gpt is about right, given the minimum loan increment is 30 gold (1gpt x 30 turns). You wouldn't expect the AI to give you 120 gold (4gpt x 30 turns) for 94 just because you felt like giving it a loan, do you?

The AI will sometimes give you a loan if you request it, however. The rate is usually around 50% interest over the entire 30 turns. (But if you think of how many years are in a turn, that's actually a pretty good rate. ;) )

Hundred year compounding is crazy!!! :lol::goodjob:
 
Money is worth more earlier in time. Think of it as % of the GDP.

So that's actually a good deal if you need the money.

It's never a good idea. Never. How is making a loan where you get less than the principal ever a good idea? I'm trying to make loans that are mutually beneficial.
 
I assure you that having a lack of understanding of finance is not cool and nothing should be programmed to blithely make childish propositions.

Well, if you're thinking of my lack of understanding of finance, I misread your post and edited as fast as I could (not fast enough, though :)).

As for the childish proposition, I guess the AI didn't really need a loan. You said you offered him a loan? Well, if someone offers me a loan with me not needing it, I'm not gonna take it without getting anything back, am I? So if you wanted me to give you 3 gold per turn, I for sure would ask for 94 gold. So I still think it's rather cool, and I don't believe it's a childish proposition.
 
The AI doesn't really seem to understand value very well in Civ V. For example, if the AI has 1 Fur, and I have 2 Silk and 2 Cotton, it would be a very good deal for him if we exchanged 1 Fur for 1 Silk & 1 Cotton; The nest result is both civilizations get an extra luxury resource. However, because that is his only fur, he assigns some insane value to it and wants my silk, cotton, marble and silver(of which I also only have 1) as well as 18 GPT for the single fur. That's ludicrous!

I've also found that if both you have extra strategic resources, you can trade them to the AI(Even if the AI doesn't need them) for 100-150 raw gold. Realistically, the AI should refuse to give you anything for them. I mean, if they have a 10 extra horses that they aren't using for anything, why would they pay you 150 gold so they can have 15 extra horses they aren't using for anything?
 
The AI once gave me ~124 in exchange for 5 gpt/30t so that was mutually beneficial. I used it to buy a city state ally to give me access to iron.
 
It's never a good idea. Never. How is making a loan where you get less than the principal ever a good idea? I'm trying to make loans that are mutually beneficial.
Like in the previous Civs, the effects of bought tiles, social policies and units quickly snowball... The earlier you get them, the better. E.g. what if your loan allowed you to buy one extra unit for your war - without which you wouldn't have captured the AI's capital (so you'd have lost your entire army for no benefit at all)? These kinds of things are hard to quantify since each game is different. But as said, if you know you need the gold soon, then it's a good deal. Irl ofc things are different... Although maybe not if you buy 'means of production', so to speak.
 
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