Organized and the Big Picture

[EmperorNapoleon]

Organized is the generally accepted worst trait - however, I want to prove that its just not as bad as you think - and its also a balancing measure:

Organized reduces your civic upkeep costs by 50% - allowing you to pay for the more ambitious civics earlier in the game. Notice I say earlier - which in most cases is the most important phase of the game. Don't forget the Pyramids!
The best benefit for Organized is the cheaper Courthouses and Lighthouses. Getting those courthouses out fast can keep you out of the poorhouse while running your larger empire. This also leads to a faster Forbidden Palace. Cheaper lighthouses is excellent for boosting your coastal cities faster.

In conclusion, Organized, while not the best trait, has its uses. I would say its most effective for those great civics early on, and early city expansion.

However, I hope earnestly that in the patch Organized pays no Civic upkeep, that way it'll rank up there with the other traits.

 

[Zhahz]

Of the games I've played so far the easiest time I had moneywise was playing an organized leader. I don't particularly think it's the worst trait. As with any trait if you don't use it then it's not gonna help you much. I think organized is good for early expansion and/or conquering as civic costs seem to scale with empire size.

 

[Heroes]

In a noble small map game, I notice that my civ gains ~60 gpt from being financial, and would save at most ~20 gpt from being organized. Well, gaining more is better than spending less ...

 

[phungus420]

Yeah, all the other traits are badass, and it's difficult deciding wich ones you want. Except organized, it sucks. Financial is so much better. What the hell happend? Firaxis patch this, FDR deserves better!!! Personally I think making organized trait sucks was a republican plot...

 

[quail]

It's strange that such a weak trait got through the playtesting. With all the other traits you can adjust your playing style to take advantage of them, but I tend to just choose whichever civic I want with or without Organised.

 

[Mujadaddy]

I wish that Anarchy lasted 3 turns still... THAT would make people value Spiritual a bit more

Then "Organized" could knock that down to 1 turn, and still have the "civics upkeep"!! OOOh!!!

 

[KAuss]

Anarchy time changes with the number of civics you change... Most I got was 2 turns on noble though...

I still have not found a good use for Organized yet..

The time spent to build courthouses is time taken away from building units... Through all my games, it's almost impossible to take time away in each city to build things... Once iron is discovered, you better be up there in the top 3 in power... This leaves no room for building courthouses to save the money you don't have to begin with

 

[warpstorm]

Try Washington sometime. He has Organized and Financial. I always had tons of money palying him.

 

[Dog of Justice]

Try Washington sometime. He has Organized and Financial. I always had tons of money palying him.

The problem is, I can get tons of money with ANY Financial leader. Adding Organized makes very little difference, compared to the benefits gained by combining other traits with Financial.

 

[bingen]

Might be better on higher difficulties.

 

[WoundedKnight]

>Don't forget the Pyramids!

Can you give some concrete example of how the pyramids help the organized trait? I understand that you can get any government civic that you want (and via organized at a reduced cost), but the government civics I find to be of relatively little value in the early game.

 

[xenikos]

>Don't forget the Pyramids!

Can you give some concrete example of how the pyramids help the organized trait? I understand that you can get any government civic that you want (and via organized at a reduced cost), but the government civics I find to be of relatively little value in the early game.

Representation is all kinds of useful for its happiness boost and science plus to specialists...the Pyramids are a neat luxury because of that civic, me thinks (not to mention great engineers). But that civic doesn't have that high of upkeep, I can run it fine without organized *or* financial.

 

[MSTK]

On huge-sized maps I rarely have more than 10 GPT of upkeep. that 5 GPT I save doesn't seem like that much. But I'm probably missing something here...

 

[Jazz_Newton]

I'm playing a game at the moment on a continents map. I'm on the minor continent, and killed off the japanese early in the game so that I had sole ownership. I have tonnes of cities... 80% of whom have a courthouse, all my coastal cities have lighthouses, and i'm paying 80-100 GPT in civics upkeep (yes that's CIVICS... not maintenance.) I'm not organised, but if I was then i'd be saving a pretty decent amount of gold and would have saved TONNES of production because a courthouse has always been high on my priority list due to the amount of cities i've got (courthouses have often taken 20-36 turns to build, meaning i could have saved 10-18 turns of production AND the extra GPT maintenance during the additional turns it took to build them).

I'm only playing on Noble, so I'm guessing that on higher difficulties my civics costs would be significantly higher - potentially costing between 100 and 200 GPT as a raw amount.

P.S. I'm currently running at 60% science due to huge maintenance and upkeep, but still have a tech lead and am pulling away from the competition because of the pure harvesting power i have from so many cities.

P.P.S. I'm playing as the Persians, just in case anyone was interested.

 

[Shillen]

Representation is all kinds of useful for its happiness boost and science plus to specialists...the Pyramids are a neat luxury because of that civic, me thinks (not to mention great engineers). But that civic doesn't have that high of upkeep, I can run it fine without organized *or* financial.

Yeah representation is "low upkeep" so it's not even an issue. I think the cheaper courthouses are the biggest benefit of organized. If you want to take advantage of the organized trait you need to carve out a giant empire.