permanent alliance question

[Racsoviale]

hi

In a recent game I made a permanent alliance with pericles, and It got me thinking. Does universal wonders affect your ally? im especially thinking about three gorges dam. - If I build it will he also get power in all his cities and vice versa(if we are on the same continent ofcoarse)

 

[pesgores]

Hey, clarify me as well: do these alliances maintain if one of those signataries attacks a third party?

BTW, they're immediately available when you get Communism, or you need something else? Because last time I got Com, I tried to sign an alliance with a leader who was Pleased with me, but it didn't show up on the Trade table.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Wonders are shared within teams.

You can't do a PA unless you enable it in the game settings before starting.

 

[Tatran]

BTW, they're immediately available when you get Communism, or you need something else? Because last time I got Com, I tried to sign an alliance with a leader who was Pleased with me, but it didn't show up on the Trade table.

You have to share a common war or have signed a defensive pact for 40 turns IIRC.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

You have to share a common war or have signed a defensive pact for 40 turns IIRC.

This is true, but since it didn't show up at all I'm lead to believe he didn't turn the setting on in the first place. If the setting is on but you have not shared war or DP for 40 turns, the option will be there after communism (or fascism but that's usually later) but will be redded out. If you don't see it at all it's a settings issue.

 

[NKVD]

i had a defensive pact for maybe 30 turns with roosevelt in my present game. then he declared war on napoleon (I am his worst ennemy and he kept bullying me) so i declared war on napoleon to try to shoot for permanent alliance. i didnt know that 40 turns thing. iM guessing the turns go back to zero (there was 2 turns i was not in war and roosevelt was).

I,m guessing that war will last 40 turns easily...my question which will lead to probably another thread: do you have to be friendly to sign a permanent alliance? i have all the positive modifiers . I only have -3 because of we share close borders.

 

[Racsoviale]

TMIT: thx for the clarification.

Pesgores: there are significant differences in having a Permanent alliance and a Defensive pact. And you have to turn Permanent alliances on in order to be able to use them.
The main difference in single player(I have never tried having a permanent aliance in multiplayer) is that you merge with another civ, and control all foreign policy, think of it as a super vassal state, my ally gave me everything I asked for: all his gold/resources etc. You become a single civ in terms of victory/power/rating. In a defensive pact you are merely bound to declare war at a third party if one attacks your partner.

I have infact tried having Permanent alliances enabled in multiplayer but never between two human players, what I have tried is a mate who entered a permanent alliance with Motezuma. Subsequently I could not initiate dialogue with Montezuma. This has made me believe that for all intents and purposes the player decides everything in foreign policy when entering a permanent alliance. (It was very annoying discovering that, since I had great plans to(through Monty) plunge my mate into several world wars)

EDIT:
NKVD: yes friendly is when you have a possibility, maybe some of them are special and can at pleased(like Catherine can declare war at friendly)

 

[jauggy]

Does it get reset? Is 2 wars of 20 turns the same as 1 war of 40 turns? Is it the same for different game speed settings?

 

[NKVD]

so finally the war was raging against France with Roosevelt which i paid to get back him in the war. Napoleon was on another continent so most of my troops were far from home when suddenly Mehmed my very powerful neighboor at pleased declared war on me! I thought it was the end for me. 2 Turns after Roosevelt ( he was at pleased with me but only because of our proximity) came to me to ask a permanent alliance. I said yes right away and we won against Mehmed making him our vassal. I didnt count the turns but i dont think i had 40 turns straight of war. so I dont think it's reseting.

 

[Codazzle]

Does being involved in a Permanent Alliance lower your score?