Phalanx

[Thunderfall]

I heard people talk about fortified phalanx taking out battleshops all the time. does this happen really often

 

[TTG]

Well a battleship has an attack of 18, and a phalanx has a defense of 2, but...

If the phalanx is veteran on a mountain, fortified in a fort, it will have an EFFECTIVE defense of 27. (veteran is x1.5, fortified is x1.5, fort is x2, and mountain is x3).

In this case, the odds of the phalanx winning are 27:18 or 3:2. This is a 60% chance. It is a well-known strategy that a well-fortified defense unit is the best way to kill a battleship. When I use battleships, I use them for picking on weak cities which have no city walls.

The highest possible defense of any unit is a mech inf., veteran, fortified in a city with city walls on a mountain (very rare):
6*1.5*1.5*3*3 = 121
This is higher than the nuke's attack value... In fact, well fortified mech infs, often have more defense than a nuke. If you watch carefully when a nuke attacks, it sometimes LOSES because of this. Of course, losing has no effect on it... it still detonates and wipes out the city, unit, etc. But it IS a bit strange that a nuke could lose to an APC.

The people who whine about things like this ruining civ1 are just that, though: whiners. These situations are rare, and if you know about them you are pretty stupid to walk right into them. I mean, who ATTACKS a large, well-defended city anyway? I always use nukes or a seige (covering their squares so they can't produce food or resources).

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[Fishheads]

wow
i think i remember that happening to me once a long time ago

thanks!

 

[Lefty Scaevola]

I do not think that Thunderfall approves of anything taking out a civ battleship.

 

[VanillaCube]

If he admits that something can take out a battleship then he must admit that he is not invincible

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[Thunderfall]

lol... if phalanx could kill battleships often, I would consider changing the phalanx rank to another unit, maybe to dilomat. We have so many phalanx and only one lonely battleship in the forum... this is the only way to ensure battleships alwasy win

j/k

 

[vladmir_illych_lenin]

Knights have a defense of 2 also...

 

[Fishheads]

ENOUGH warriors can take out anything hehehhe

 

[vladmir_illych_lenin]

I was just wondering, when they calculate the attack and defense of a unit when affected by fortification, etc., do they round up or down? or do they use decimals? If they used decimals, then how come units don't have decimal attack defense in the beginning to make it more accurate?

 

[TTG]

Fisheads: I'm glad to see at least someone out there has learned the fundamental principle of Civilizaton. Unfortunately, this is a civ1 forum, so please refer to the civ1 units (militia in this case, not warrior)

Vlady: In civ1, they never really tell you how much attack or defense you have going into a battle. The impression I got from playing the game and reading the official strategy guide was that the values are calculated as decimals during the calculation process, but the final resulting defense or attack is rounded down. So:
Veteran militia on plains:
1 * 1.5 (veteran) = 1.5 * 1.0 (plains) = 1.5 (round down) = 1.0
Veteran militia on hills:
1 * 1.5 (veteran) = 1.5 * 2.0 (hills) = 3.0 (already rounded)

Just another thing about attacking... units that have less than 1 movement point left due to moving on roads have only a fraction of their attack. 2/3 attack if .2MP or 1/3 if .1MP. For militia, this would seemt to make them have 0 attack, which can't be right, so there must be some factor I have not considered.

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[vladmir_illych_lenin]

Thx TTG guy.

They fixed this problem with the phalanx in Civ2 when they added the health bars.

 

[Pedro]

If the phalanx is veteran on a mountain, fortified in a fort, it will have an EFFECTIVE defense of 27. (veteran is x1.5, fortified is x1.5, fort is x2, and mountain is x3).

From what I remember the computer magically didn't need these means of defence to take out my battleship. I used to keep on taking out units that were on the shore with my battleship and though it nearly always won the battle it did happen to me once that a phalanx killed my battleship, while standing on plains, unfortified! So I guess there's a random number that's added to the defence of the computer?
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[Pedro]

I wonder: did units in CIV1 receive damage (although we didn't see it?)

 

[shadowdale]

No they didn't Civ1 and simplified combat is only win/lose not damage dealing.

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[TTG]

The thing is, Pedro, that it is all just probability, so no matter how powerful your unit is and how weak your opponent's unit is, if you attack them enough times, you will eventually lose. It's just the odds.

For example, if the attacker is 4 and the defender is 2, there is a 2/3 chance the attack will succeed and a 1/3 chance it will fail.

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[Pedro]

So if a rookie militia attacks a veteran mech. inf. fortified in a fort on a mountain, there is a chance that the militia succeeds??!?!
Like one against a million...!

 

[shadowdale]

Well the chance isn't one in a million but its 1:6*(1.5*1.5*3*3) => 1:121,5!!!
That is about 8 out of a 1000 times and that would make it 8000 out of a million.

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[Blackblood73]

I've experienced the joy of letting a few of my militia-units wipe out and conquer heavily defended cities,but I've also experienced how all my forces were slaughtered trying to take a city that only had a phalanx or a musketeer guarding it.

And battleships,same situation.

I'm playing civilization for windows,so it might be different from the normal civ,but still...dagnabbit,I'll have my revenge on Berlin some day...

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