Pics of my atlatl- the Mayan Jav Thrower's weapon

Cerenkov

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If you've ever wondered exactly what it is that the Mayan Javelin thrower is using to throw those javelins so hard, wonder no more. It's an atlatl- one of these:

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My atlatl is the wooden thing resting on top of the painting's frame; two javelins (more properly called darts) are to the left and right. The darts are six feet long and fletched like arrows. Mine have standard 150-grain archery target points; the Maya, Aztecs and countless other civilizations and ancient peoples used bone, flint, chert or obsidian points.

The atlatl itself is basically just a stick with a notch in it. The tail end of the dart has a hollow in it into which the notch is placed, and the atlatl is grasped at the other end and used to throw the dart overhand like a baseball. The atlatl serves as a three-foot extension of your arm, dramatically increasing your leverage. A well-thrown dart has about as much kinetic energy as a .22 LR shot but inflicts more tissue damage, especially if fitted with a heavy broadhead. Can you imagine going out with your friends to kill an elephant-sized mastodon with .22 varmint rifles, especially if you had to aim without sights? That's pretty much what our Neolithic ancestors did for thousands of years with the atlatl, up until and even after the invention of the bow and arrow.

A bow can be aimed better and fired faster and more quietly, and arrows require less effort to make than darts, but the atlatl imparts more kinetic energy. When fighting the conquistadors, the Aztecs actually stopped using bows in favor of the older atlatl, since the heavy darts were able punch through the Spaniards' armor and fell horses easily.

Many modern atlatl enthusiasts use carbon-fiber atlatls and aluminum darts for competitions and for hunting bear, deer, and boar in places where it's legal. In the USA, only Virginia issues atlatl hunting licenses.

Here's another picture, this one of my friend John about to throw it:

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One last cool fact- in a bow, energy is stored in the bow when the string is pulled back and released when the bow is fired. In an atlatl, it is the dart itself which flexes, storing the energy of the throw by bending on the upswing and then "leaping" off the end of the atlatl. An atlatl dart in flight looks a little like a fish quickly swimming through a stream, flexing back and forth with sympathetic vibrations but keeping to a straight path. :D The "barking" noise that the Mayan Jav Thrower makes in CivIII isn't historically accurate; some atlatls have a barking sound, especially Australian woomeras, but Mesoamericans used bannerstone counterweights that dampened any noise produced by the throw.

Thanks for letting me share. With any luck, the Pennsylvania legislature will pass the pending legislation that will allow atlatlists to hunt during deer season; maybe someday I'll be able to bag a buck the way my great-great-great-etc.-grandparents did.
 
Very cool. How did you get interested in the atlatl?

With any luck, the Pennsylvania legislature will pass the pending legislation that will allow atlatlists to hunt during deer season; maybe someday I'll be able to bag a buck the way my great-great-great-etc.-grandparents did.


Please kill more PA deer. Its getting to the point where you cant drive down the road in the middle of the city. If it passes, Rendell will probably just veto it anyway. Scared of Philly gangs armed with atlatls.
 
Too many people have that "Awww look at the cute deer" attitude to realize what destructive pests they can become when overpopulated. Let that cute little deer wipe out your garden or raise your car insurance because you hit one, and it might change to kill that little &#*@%!
 
Cerenkov said:
The "barking" noise that the Mayan Jav Thrower makes in CivIII isn't historically accurate; some atlatls have a barking sound, especially Australian woomeras, but Mesoamericans used bannerstone counterweights that dampened any noise produced by the throw.

Oh. I always thought that was the guy. :p

Thanks for letting me share. With any luck, the Pennsylvania legislature will pass the pending legislation that will allow atlatlists to hunt during deer season; maybe someday I'll be able to bag a buck the way my great-great-great-etc.-grandparents did.

T'would be a lot cleaner than a gun too, I imagine.
You certainly seem an expert on the subject; how hard is it to use an atlatl?
 
Joycem: I don't even remember; I've been interested in them for a long time but only obtained one recently.

Overseer: You're absolutely right. Now that wolves and mountain lions have been wiped out in the east, we're the only predators that the deer have left, and there aren't enough people hunting. In the woods near where I live, the deer have grazed down the understory to the point that I don't even have to worry about wearing long pants anymore- the deer have eaten even the poison ivy.

Thorvald: I'm not really an expert, just an interested amateur. Unfortunately, an atlatl kill would probably be slightly less clean than an gun, comparable to a bow kill; this is because shot placement is more difficult and the dart does not expand the way a bullet does. Some bowhunters I know carry a small handgun to humanely kill deer in the event that their arrow doesn't kill the animal.
 
Very interesting Thank for the share.

For the "bad deers", let me teach you something : Hunters give them food, and kill their predators. That's why they are so numerous.
They do the same thing in a number of countries (in France, it's with deers and boars, for example).
Farmers are often threated with death by hunter when they want to stop that (because overpopulation of theses wild animals destroy their cultures).

Hunter SAY they are needed for eliminate the overpopulation. They are liars. You don't fight overpopulation with food and menacing to kill the peoples who don't agree.
 
In the woods near where I live, the deer have grazed down the understory to the point that I don't even have to worry about wearing long pants anymore- the deer have eaten even the poison ivy.

Wait, wait, wait! Isn't that a good thing? let em graze down some more!
If you kill the deer now, then you'll have to fight the overgrown grass and poison ivy later.
Strategist such as us Civ players should see that coming. So... first let the deer eat those pests to extinction, then hunt down the deer!
 
I know alot of deer hunters, and if they feed the deer, they don't talk about. Besides which, baiting deer is illegal here. Overpopulation is a problem here, and hunting is the more humane way of stopping that problem. It's sure better than hitting them with cars.
 
Is Harry Potter a deer hunter?:lol:
 
Vampiloup: Overseer is correct. Shooting over bait is illegal and hunters certainly aren't killing deers' predators; wolves and mountain lions have been extinct in Pennsylvania since the late 19th century when PA's forests were clear-cut to fuel the iron furnaces and lime kilns.

MAS: Poison ivy is annoying, but the point that I was trying to make is that the deer will eat EVERYTHING in the understory except for some non-native plants like multiflora rose. An understory is an important part of a healthy forest; when there are too many deer, young trees cannot grow large enough to replace trees that fall from age, insects, or fire.

Dezzilisk: He is a unicorn hunter.
 
Even better! That means mankind doesn't have to invest in training lumberjacks as much! When our city limits reach the now forested area, we can start building our arcologies on the already deforested areas right away!

Ahh, I'm such a genius! If I may say so myself. :cool:
 
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