Playtest of WWGD and PWM and CSD - take 2

[V. Soma]

So, this is testing mods:
- What Would Gandhi Do
- Play With Me
- City State Diplomacy
plus InfoAddict and ImprovedNotification

Setting:

Me: Roma
Prince level
Tiny pangaea 3 million yrs
Quick speed
Only science victory, no ruins, (quick combat)

AI civs: Arabia, Egypt, Siam, China, India
Plus 6 City States

Part 1

Spoiler :

Turn 1
I put my capital at a river, near 2 cows, 1 ivory and 1 silk.
It is near the sea shore but I didn’t want to waste time and forest tile by making Rome a sea-city.

Turn 5
I meet Egypt. They come from the east.


Turn 7
I meet Bucharest, 9 tiles from Rome center to the east

Turn 13
I meet China who comes from the west

Turn 17
I reach Egypt borders, 15 tiles from Rome to the east.

Turn 19
I meet an Arabian unit near S of Egypt border.

Turn 25

Arabia is friendly (want fr.ship)
China is neutral (same V)
Egypt is guarded (same V)

Eh, there is but only one V possible…

Turn 26
I have my 2nd city, Antium S of Rome, same river, near lots of sheep (4!) and iron (2!)

Turn 28
Egypt has Great Library

Turn 30
Egypt diplo change: guarded: they fear we might be threat

Turn 35
China diplo improves: neutral: nothing

Then China asks for OB, I give and she is friendly

Turn 39
Arabia asks for DoF – I accept

China and Egypt have RA

I discover China border near S of Antium

Turn 41
Edinburgh need help vs. barbarians

Arabia asks for OB, I give

I make RA with Arabia

Turn 46
I clear camp for Edinburgh – we’re friends

I put my 3rd city to the E of Rome, at river, near 2 wheat, 3 sheep, iron, horse, ivory
I aggressively buy up land for this new city, as it is close to Egypt.
I guess this step will make diplo changes…

Part 2

Spoiler :

Turn 50

Egypt guarded: covet land (oh, yes)
China friendly (wishes fr.ship)
Arabia friendly (DoF)

I get catapult from Edinburgh
I am 1st in soldiers

I ask China not to settle near me, she says OK, we’re friends

A little bug or what: Rome chose to get tile of fish, but the city cannot build ship…

Turn 58
I meet India and we’re friends as we have DoF with their DoF friends (Arabia)
We make a quick RA

With a messenger I make Bucharest my friend
And with another I make Edinburgh my ally.

I make OB with India
Edinburgh seeks India

Turn 60

Arabia friendly (DoF)
India friendly (same DoF)
China friendly (I demanded not to settle near)
Egypt guarded (covet land)

I meet Siam – friendly

I am 2nd in score
1st in land, GNP, soldiers
2nd in literacy, crop, goods
5th in approval

I meet Helsinki at very S end, shore

Turn 66
I enter the Medieval era (I am 3rd in this), and also a 8-turn GA begins

I have the National College in Rome

Turn 70
No change in diplo

I meet Seoul to the E
I get units from Edinburgh, now a catapult

Turn 72 I have my 4th city, Neapolis, dropped at the E, near gold, 2 cows, 3 horses
and near Seoul and Edinburgh
Well protected by mountain chain to the S

Arabia and China has RA

Turn 75
A great turn in which I have both the Pyramids and the Hanging Gardens wonders

India and China has RA

I make RA with Siam

Turn 79

India wants DoF, I accept

Turn 80
China and Siam has RA (China is very active)
I get crossbowman unit from Edinburgh

My cities are 11, 7, 6, 3, in population – I am 3rd in this factor
I am 1st in literacy, soldiers, land, GNP, goods

I meet Rio de Janeora very far SE, near Egypt and Arabia

Arabia and Egypt has RA

I clear camp to the S near Antium, this makes Helsinki my friend

India and Arabia has RA

Turn 84
I have Civil Service

Siam and India has RA

I make RA with Arabia

Arabia wanted my excess Gold for free, I declined
and quickly sold it to Siam for 166gp

Turn 88
I make DoF with Siam

Turn 91
I have the Hagia Sophia wonder

Siam and Arabia make RA

Turn 93
I have Education
I am allied with Helsinki (my 3rd ally CS), Arabia doesn’t like it

Literacy report
Me 24, Arabia 24, India 22, China 21, Egypt 20, Siam 20

 

[Arexander]

Hope this one makes it to the end.

 

[V. Soma]

Part 3

Spoiler :

Turn 98
Arabia and China has RA
China becomes guarded! (covet land, same CS)

I have my 5th city, Ravenna, W of Rome at seashore

Turn 101

India enters the Renaissance Era

I have the Macchu Picchu

I return a Settler from barbs to Egypt…

Turn 104
I have a University in Rome, others will follow
I enter the Renaissance Era

India and China has RA

I am friends with Seoul

Turn 110 – 1000 AD
3 universities are built
I am 1st in soldiers, land, goods, crop
But only 3rd in literacy

Diplo:
No change:
Arabia, India and Siam are friendly
Egypt and China (my 2 neighbors) are guarded

I am allied with Seoul, let Helsinki not to be
China doesn’t like my move with Seoul
Soul is attacked (by barbs?)

(I won’t keep track of RAs, there’s so many of them&#8230

Turn 117
I have Gunpowder

Siam and Arabia are now friends
(coalition of Me-Arabia-India-Siam is forming?)

Turn 125
Building wonders…
I am 2nd in literacy, 1st in many things…

Turn 128
Kremlin, Taj Mahal in the same turn

I get units from Edinburgh, muskets…

Turn 136 – 1460
I have Oxford University – and the Fertilizer tech
Literacy is 49% (Arabia has 50%)

I am very strong in GNP and Military

 

[alpaca]

Hi V.Soma, nice that you give it another try.

Could you do me a favour and post screens of how the AI placed their cities in the late-game (>turn 200)? I would like to get some info about AI settling for the current version.

 

[V. Soma]

OK, I will do some exploring for that, maybe tomorrow
(I don't have much time for playing)

 

[V. Soma]

Part 4

Spoiler :

Turn 144
Literacy report:
Arabia: 40, ME: 38, India: 38, Siam: 35, China 32, Egypt 27

No change in diplo

1570 AD
I train riflemen and cavalry, get cannons from Edinburgh

Turn 151
China is worrying about my army

1640
With Dynamite I enter the Industrial Era (I am first)

1670
Arabia enters Industrial Era

 

[alpaca]

OK, I will do some exploring for that, maybe tomorrow
(I don't have much time for playing)

No worries, I have time. And thanks!

 

[V. Soma]

Part 5


Turn 168
Siam DoW on India!
Siam has Helsinki and Rio de Janeiro as supporting allies…

I have 412/turn beakers

Siam attacks India with warriors, elephants and trebs,
India defends with arty in their cities…

Turn 178
I start a 6th city near Bucharest, SE of Rome

Turn 182
Siam and India make peace
Rio de Janeiro razed a small Indian city

My Literacy: 69%

(see attched the lands of the AI civs)

 

[V. Soma]

A few words on the Siam-India war

I picked peaceful nations for this game, and yes, indeed this was the first war in the game, this late.

The war was short. I believe the minimum length.

Siam first had those ancient units: warrior and elephant,
and being much more in number than Indian units, with them captured (!) Mambai,
but India got that back with (one?) Rilfeman.
Then Siam also had Rifleman.
India very few units that were NOT in the city defending (those units were arty)

Siam had CS allies with up-to-date units from the start of the war,
so CS was in advantage at start and thus a powerful ally.
(Rio de Janeiro caputred and razed a small Indian city)

*

I believe the AI civs should put (more? did i have any?) effort to disband VERY old units...

 

[V. Soma]

Part 6

Spoiler :

Turn 190
No change in diplo
469 beakers/turn

I culture bomb Chinese land to get silver,
Also land from Seoul – no longer we are allies
China allies with Seoul – hm…

Turn 198
I enter the Modern Era
I have the Eiffel-tower

Turn 200
I am 1st in all things except land, crop and population.
I have no aluminium – shall I wage a war then against Egypt to get some?

Turn 202
8-turn GA starts (from excess happiness)

Turn 205
I learn Rocketry

I culture bomb Bucharest for Dyes

I have strong diplo fight for Seoul, I put 4 diplo units and so I get the CS as ally:
I have 523 beakers/turn

Turn 209
Siam DoW India again, Siam has 3 CSs as allies,
And soon takes Bucharest from me as 4th ally

Turn 212
China denounces me!
I make DefPact with Arabia
I trade luxury with Egypt

I have +29 happiness

1886
I begin the Apollo Program

 

[Isikien]

A few words on the Siam-India war

I picked peaceful nations for this game, and yes, indeed this was the first war in the game, this late.

The war was short. I believe the minimum length.

Siam first had those ancient units: warrior and elephant,
and being much more in number than Indian units, with them captured (!) Mambai,
but India got that back with (one?) Rilfeman.
Then Siam also had Rifleman.
India very few units that were NOT in the city defending (those units were arty)

Siam had CS allies with up-to-date units from the start of the war,
so CS was in advantage at start and thus a powerful ally.
(Rio de Janeiro caputred and razed a small Indian city)

*

I believe the AI civs should put (more? did i have any?) effort to disband VERY old units...

Interesting that Siam declared war. Ram, according to flavours, hates war, so it makes no sense for him to actively take part in it.

 

[V. Soma]

Part 7

Things've got interesting...

Spoiler :

China also enters the Modern Era

I also denounce China (well, let’s NOT like each other…)

Turn 218
Siam and India makes peace
I go with a unit to discover what happened, but I guess nothing…

I have modern army but also high costs: 208/turn on units
(having ca. 30 units)

Teching is 553 beakers/turn

I ponder, do I need aluminium?
Maybe not, but it would be sooo easy to to take it from Egypt…
And Egypt has no friends…
Maybe my ally Bucharest could occupy that aluminium for me (it’s close to that CS)…
And I also would like to see reaction from my friend civs…

So… as no one wants to join me,
In Turn 222
I DoW Egypt… I plan a short war to get that metal…
First turn is blitz through 4 enemy muskets…

Arabia and India denounces Siam!
Siam asks me to come to war vs. Arabia, I deny.
I also denounce Siam – I hope this strengthens my block with Arabia and India

I trade with India and Siam and also make DefPact with both!

Siam denounces me
India and Arabia like my move against Siam
(only trouble for them is that I was declared friends with Siam before…)

Turn 225
Siam is hostile
I capture 2 cities from Egypt, one is with the desired Aluminium
Ramesses doesn’t accept peace

Turn 228
After capturing Thebes and 3 cities, Egypt accepts peace…
I fight high city costs…

 

[V. Soma]

Some words on my blitzkrieg vs. Egypt

I was way more developed and accordingly had easy camapign.
I had infantries, bombers, fighters, artilleries, and a tank, plus cavalry, riflemen.
Egypt had muskets on th the border at start, whom (4 units) I erased in the first turn.
After that I met a knight, some crossbowmen and a war chariot...
OK, Egypt is painfully weak civ, with cities sized 6-8, lots of desert and mountains...

*

I scouted the land and I can report that Siam has captured Mumbai again, and has kept it this time...

A note for Alpaca:
Siam has dropped a new city far away from homeland on the shore btw India and Arabia...

 

[alpaca]

I doubt the AI founding cities very far away can be helped without SDK access. The screens are too much ICS for my taste, though.

 

[V. Soma]

Part 8 - final

Spoiler :

Turn 233
Egypt enters the Industrial Era…

Turn 235
Arabia comes to have war against Siam – I agree, so: war!
My plan is to be defensive, maybe get some XP…

Turn 243
I got carried away and... I capture Geneva (Siam’s ally)
This makes my +20 happiness into -5!
Apparently this was too much for the world:
Arabia, India and Egypt denounces me…
(I forgot Geneva was protected by them…)
All civs are guarded
I get Modern armor from Edinburgh

Turn 248
I start SS Boosters, after finishing SS Factory.

Uh, trade deals end and no one trades with me, even on 1:3 rates!
This drops my happiness to -16…

Turn 251
Siam asks for peace and I accept

I return to some normalcy with -8 happiness

Turn 254 and 255 and 256
SS Booster 1, 2 and 3 made and carried to place

Turn 256
I find Krakatoa but it is strange as I wasn’t going anywhere to discover it,
Ah, but Satellite tech made it, OK

Turn 258
Geneva has courthouse, happiness is back to +6 now

In the meantime the war btw Siam and India-Arabia goes on.
Siam’s ally, Rio de Janeiro has captured Baghdad, Arabia recaptured it.
India re-took Mumbai.

My city Antium is size 20 and has 104 hammer/turn

I make 890 beakers/turn

Turn 267
Gandhi completes Manhattan Project
I complete SS Cockpit

Turn 269
I make 1003 beakers/turn

My allied CSs are full of units, on all land tiles

Turn 271
India makes peace with Siam
Arabia finishes Manhattan Project

Turn 275
I have World Trade Organization
I run a 6-turn GA

Turn 276
I enter the Future Era

China has Manhattan Project

Turn 281 – 2001 AD
I am 3rd (only) in soldiers – and in quality?

I make 1155 beakers/turn

I finish Nanotechnology
I need 6 turns to complete the Ship

Turn 285
Nothing – nobody attacks me.
My GNP is 2x the average, my goods are 2.5x
My army is – I just get a report - size 7100, Siam leads with 7800…
Now China turns hostile…

I win the game in 2008

 

[Sparthage]

Good win! I'm surprised that in many of my games when I'm about to win, the AI doesn't try anything. It disappoints me greatly that one of the features that I was hoping to see, doesn't work.