Preach Counterrevolution

[DEFENSOR FIDEI]

Originally posted by Hamlet


We had that up to the Middle Ages.

Sorry to be the one to break this to you, but The Western world grew out of that nonsense.

We'll see how much you think its nonsense after Jesus Christ, as your KING AND JUDGE, casts you into the pit of flames forever.

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by nixon
Come on, the man prefers Communism, he's a traitor of his own free and liberal country, the guy must worship Stalin!!

COMMUNIST!!!

Is it unthinkable that people on the right, and those who believe in such delusions as these are traitors to a free and liberal society?

 

[insurgent]

... can't stop... laughing... :jump:

Now, DF please tell me what you think about black people?

 

[Wise Ass]

Well I am going to work now. He couldn't handle argueing me any way as he has not had a comebnack for anything I have said for like 3 pages so you all have fun. Flame him some more for me

 

[nixon]

Blind and brainwashed? What's all that suppose to mean?
Admit it, you're a damn Communist and a traitor.

COMMUNIST!!

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by DEFENSOR FIDEI
We'll see how much you think its nonsense after Jesus Christ, as your KING AND JUDGE, casts you into the pit of flames forever.

According to you, Jesus is going to cast just about everyone into the pit of fire, except you, including just about everybody in your own denomination.

Don't you find that slightly odd?

 

[insurgent]

Come on, black people, what do you think about them?

(this is really good for my postcount! )

 

[insurgent]

And what would be your economic system in your perfect society?

 

[DEFENSOR FIDEI]

Originally posted by Hamlet


According to you, Jesus is going to cast just about everyone into the pit of fire, except you, including just about everybody in your own denomination.

Don't you find that slightly odd?

Find what odd, that only faithful catholics will go into the Kingdom? Thats what Christ taught. IF YOU DON'T LIKE HARD SAYINGS pretending won't help you. As Christ states "NARROW IS THE WAY" to eternal life. Most people will go to peridition

St. Thomas Aquinas teaches in the Summa that relatively very few will be saved. He explains that salvation is a good which is way above the normal human state or ability, and therefore very few will attain to it. I have had to turn to the Latin of the Summa to confirm the full extent of his teaching about this, as I will explain after I have given the text.



“Reply to Objection 3. The good that is proportionate to the common state of nature [e.g., not being disabled, being healthy] is to be found in the MANY; and is wanting in the FEW [paucioribus]. The good that exceeds the common state of nature is to be found in the FEW [paucioribus], and is wanting in the MANY. Thus it is clear that MANY men have a sufficient knowledge for the guidance of life; and the FEW [pauciores] who have not this knowledge are said to be morons or foolish; but they who attain to a profound knowledge of things intelligible are MOST FEW [paucissimi] in respect to the rest. Since their eternal happiness, consisting in the vision of God, exceeds the common state of nature, and ESPECIALLY in so far as this is deprived of grace through the corruption of original sin, there is a SELECT FEW [pauciores] who are saved. In this especially, however, appears the mercy of God, that He has chosen some for that salvation, from which VERY MANY [plurimi] in accordance with the common course and tendency of nature fall short.” (Summa Theologica Part I, Question 23, Article 7; emphasis is mine.)



The key word which St. Thomas uses is “plurimi”. As salvation is above the ability of common nature, this would mean that “few” attain to it. However, he explains that due to the original sin, man is even less capable of salvation. This is a little like unto the “most few” [paucissimi] whom he says attain to what is way above common nature, such as profound knowledge. He emphasizes the extreme fewness of the saved by comparing it with the “very many” [plurimi] who are damned. “Plurimi” is the superlative of “multus” [many]. The Merriam Webster online dictionary defines the “superlative” as follows:



“1 : of, relating to, or constituting the degree of grammatical comparison that denotes an extreme or unsurpassed level or extent

2 a : surpassing all others : SUPREME”



Hence, the superlative “plurimi” is used in comparison with the “select few” [pauciores], and emphasises just how few it will be who are saved. The difference between the number of the saved and that of the damned is, St. Thomas tells us in the Summa by using the superlative, “extreme, of unsurpassed extent, surpassing all others, supreme”, as the Merriam Webster online dictionary explains the superlative. In other words, he says that very, very few (an extreme or unsurpassed fewness) will be saved. The fewness of the saved is, in a word, superlative.



It would seem, judging from the Summa, that the reassuring liberal priests have got it completely wrong about our salvations. Its time to redouble one’s efforts, and then redouble them again!



“Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it!” (St. Matthew 7:13-14)



“And a certain man said to him: Lord, are they few that are saved? But he said to them: Strive earnestly to enter by the narrow gate; for many, I say to you, shall seek to enter, and shall not be able. But when the master of the house shall be gone in, and shall shut the door, you shall begin to stand without, and knock at the door, saying: Lord, open to us. And he answering, shall say to you: I know you not, whence you are. Then you shall begin to say: We have eaten and drunk in thy presence [Mass?], and thou hast taught in our streets [sermons?]. And he shall say to you: I know you not, whence you are: depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.” (St. Luke 13:23-27)



“For what shall it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? For he that shall be ashamed of me, and of my words, in this adulterous and sinful generation: the Son of man also will be ashamed of him, when he shall come in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.” (St. Mark 8:36-38)



“And he answering, said to them: Think you that these Galileans were sinners above all the men of Galilee, because they suffered such things? No, I say to you: but unless you shall do penance, you shall all likewise perish. Or those eighteen upon whom the tower fell in Siloe, and slew them: think you, that they also were debtors above all the men that dwelt in Jerusalem? No, I say to you; but except you do penance, you shall all likewise perish.” (St. Luke 13:2-5)



“Bring forth therefore fruit worthy of penance. And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham for our father. For I tell you that God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham. For now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that doth not yield good fruit, shall be cut down, and cast into the fire.” (St. Matthew 3:8-10)

 

[nixon]

Come on, put that Bible down, yes come on nice and slowly, you've read too much of it today, you're not old enough to read about those baddy baddy boys!

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by nixon
COMMUNIST!!

The extreme religious right.

 

[Padma]

Originally posted by insurgent
Come on, black people, what do you think about them?

(this is really good for my postcount! )

You think it's good for your postcount. Just look at DF's. All his posts at CFC so far have been in this thread, and he's already at nearly 50!

 

[nixon]

Originally posted by Hamlet


The extreme religious right.

No no, far from. The man licks the corpse of Lenin!

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by Padma
Just look at DF's. All his posts at CFC so far have been in this thread, and he's already at nearly 50!

It's quite amazing. Nigh on 50 posts, and all of them full of complete, total, and utter drivel.

 

[insurgent]

You said earlier that non-Catholics shouldn't be communicated with, and that we are all damned and brainwashed. Why do you then talk to us? Why don't you say "I gave them a chance, now it's up to themselves" and stop participating instead of continuing this circus? Why don't you leave it toGod to show us the truth when the time comes, if we cannot or will not accept it now? You won't achieve anything by doing this...

I'm not a catholic, why did you communicate with me?

 

[Padma]

Communist!!

The extreme religious right.

Fanatacism knows neither left nor right, only itself.

 

[nixon]

Haha, run out of Satanic waffle to paste in your posts, ha???!

Traitor.

 

[nixon]

Your have betrayed your own political wing, buddy!!

Traitor.

 

[Hamlet]

Originally posted by nixon
No no, far from. The man licks the corpse of Lenin!

I find your branding of anyone who objects to the ideals of The US as a 'Communist' rather bizzare.

Believe it or not, there are people who favour the elimination of every ideal that The US stands for, and they are not Communists.

This particular maniac is a good example.

 

[insurgent]

This discussion has, for my part, gone through these stages:

Curiosity, interest, outrage, amusement, and now finally wondering... Though the amusement hasn't ceased...

But soon he'll get a custom avatar! Wait he doesn't believe in pictures, does he?