President George Bush resumes military tribunals

[bhsup]

President Bush resumed military tribunals yesterday in Gitmo, rescinding a previous suspension of such tribunals. So what do you guys think of this action? Good for our security? A violation of the rights of terrorists? what?

n the announcement, the president said his administration remains committed to closing the controversial detention facility but will rescind its previous suspension on bringing new charges before military commissions. The commissions are military proceedings rather than trials in civilian courts.
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However, the American Civil Liberties Union and the Center for Constitutional Rights both criticized the administration for what they called institutionalizing indefinite detention of terrorism suspects who have yet to be formally charged or designated for transfer to another country, but are considered too dangerous to set free.

EDIT: Oopsies, sorry. I wrote Bush instead of Obama! It must be because I mentally blocked thinking Obama could possibly do this due to campaign promises and just substituted that evil villain Bush...

 

[Silurian]

No it was deliberate to get everyone to look.

Obama has to do something to get the place closed.

 

[bhsup]

No it was deliberate to get everyone to look.

I salute, sir! You uncovered my devious plot!

 

[Formaldehyde]

You can click on the "advanced" button in the very first post and change the subject bar.

But how is this thread any different from this one:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=414535

 

[bathsheba666]

Someone let the UN and the International Courts know....

 

[bhsup]

Er, it's not any different actually I did a quick search on the front page for "military" and "tribunal" and came up empty for starting this... Mods please merge / delete.

Thanks for pointing that one out, Forma, I just missed it. As for the title, though, I wouldn't change it for all the oil in Libya

 

[Abaddon]

Naughty VRWC!

 

[Silurian]

The camp at Gitmo has been very bed for the reputation of the USA and so the sooner it is closed the better. The decline in reputation will not have improved the security of the USA.

If the tribunals are held in accordance with the Geneva conventions and other international laws then they hopefully bring an end to this sorry affair. If the tribunals do not comply with the Geneva conventions and other international laws they will further damage the reputation of the USA and will continue to damage the reputation even if the tribunal convicts anyone.

 

[RedRalph]

Yup, same crap, different face. Colour me unsurprised.

 

[warpus]

There isn't really that much difference between the two parties in the U.S., is there? I thought this was something everyone accepted as fact.

 

[emzie]

Yup, same crap, different face. Colour me unsurprised.

Rasist.

 

[JollyRoger]

It would be kind of shocking for Bush to have issued an executive order like Obama's though. Explicit review schedules (every 6 months), assistance of lawyers, and access to habeas corpus? Come on - that's not the W we all knew and loved.

Also, W's hand was never pushed by Congress playing funding games regarding detainee policy. But you know, he was the COmmander-in-CHief during a timne of war. Obama is just some Kenyan guy that took less of the south than Sherman.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Gitmo has also appaerntly gone far beyond the chain-mesh-dog-kennel cages under Obama. And it looks like they don't even practice sensory deprivation to deliberately drive innocent people crazy anymore. I bet most, if not all, of the other deliberate abuse has also ended.

Why is Obama so soft on terrorism?

 

[JollyRoger]

Yeah, this is really a trick. Gitmo has been converted to a Club Med and Obama has shipped in 72 virgins per detainee. Next thing you know, the GOP will sign off on his request to increase funding.

 

[classical_hero]

Naughty VRWC!

Send him to Gitmo for that.

 

[Formaldehyde]

No, I think that deserves extraordinary rendition to Egypt Tunisia Libya Morocco.

 

[bhsup]

Well at least Morocco has mountains, so okay

 

[Cutlass]

There isn't really that much difference between the two parties in the U.S., is there? I thought this was something everyone accepted as fact.

Yeah, they are more than 2/3 the same. And each party has a range, so those ranges overlap quite a bit. So a few on the far side of one party have little in common with a few on the far side of the other party. But for most of them the differences are outweighed by the sameness most of the time.

 

[Abaddon]

2-Party Fail.

 

[GenMarshall]

Obama, I am disappoint -_-