-Prethread- NCNESIOT: Blackened Skies

It's funny because I was under the impression that the Han Republic would be quite isolationist, especially culturally and educationally, yet I'm encouraged by Nuka to get all of these foreign experts and professors, and send away my youth abroad, and generally be regular China.

Not to mention all the pressure to go after the Zhao, which I would have already done if we hadn't signed a treaty which I wouldn't have had to sign if Guangxi hadn't built way more units than it possibly could have. :p
 
I tried to be nicer to Spain, I realiced my mistake there. In the end nothing happend that should annoy the US or Britain. Hell Us and italian ships are pretty much working together at the moment.
I'm currently the only Power in Continental europe that is able to stand up to the Socialists and that isn't crazy fascist (no offense Seon but spain doesn't count) and still the British and Americans treat Italy like some little kid. I lost a million men fighting for Freedom, come on AMerica, at least you must have a heart for Freedom, right ? 'Murica Freedom, yeah ?

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JohannaK said:
It's funny because I was under the impression that the Han Republic would be quite isolationist, especially culturally and educationally, yet I'm encouraged by Nuka to get all of these foreign experts and professors, and send away my youth abroad, and generally be regular China.

Not to mention all the pressure to go after the Zhao, which I would have already done if we hadn't signed a treaty which I wouldn't have had to sign if Guangxi hadn't built way more units than it possibly could have. :p
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Black magics best magics.
 
Like okay. Overly low taxes should hurt growth. Your state clearly can't provide basic services. Education, health, roads and justice all have a positive ROI. While overly high taxes will tend to dampen economic activity because a. the deadweight loss of your tax mix increases, b. the central government probably isn't as good at generating returns after a while (even the Soviets knew this a lot of their economic reform revolved around ensuring that revenue generated by productive firms remained with them). Quite where the point at which you switch from one the other is will vary by state. For non-industrial states it should be a lot lower. There's just not as much ROI to chase and a lot more misery to inflict. For industrial states it should be higher.

You might also want to look at rebalancing the industrial stuff. You can produce some really strange outcomes with the back of an envelope.
 
Masada said:
Like okay. Overly low taxes should hurt growth. Your state clearly can't provide basic services. Education, health, roads and justice all have a positive ROI. While overly high taxes will tend to dampen economic activity because a. the deadweight loss of your tax mix increases, b. the central government probably isn't as good at generating returns after a while (even the Soviets knew this a lot of their economic reform revolved around ensuring that revenue generated by productive firms remained with them). Quite where the point at which you switch from one the other is will vary by state. For non-industrial states it should be a lot lower. There's just not as much ROI to chase and a lot more misery to inflict. For industrial states it should be higher.

You might also want to look at rebalancing the industrial stuff. You can produce some really strange outcomes with the back of an envelope.
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While I'll accept whatever Crezth comes up with, I generally agree with Masada's suggested approach. It's just more intuitive and interesting that way.
 
Masada said:
Like okay. Overly low taxes should hurt growth. Your state clearly can't provide basic services. Education, health, roads and justice all have a positive ROI. While overly high taxes will tend to dampen economic activity because a. the deadweight loss of your tax mix increases, b. the central government probably isn't as good at generating returns after a while (even the Soviets knew this a lot of their economic reform revolved around ensuring that revenue generated by productive firms remained with them). Quite where the point at which you switch from one the other is will vary by state. For non-industrial states it should be a lot lower. There's just not as much ROI to chase and a lot more misery to inflict. For industrial states it should be higher.

You might also want to look at rebalancing the industrial stuff. You can produce some really strange outcomes with the back of an envelope.
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That's more like it.

I see what you mean and I concede that the resolution I'm working at sort of demands an acknowledgement of Laffer curve principles, at least until I try to model individual exchanges. (No, no, I won't do that. Not yet.)

Thanks for the feedback. I think I have a pretty good idea for next steps. Relating ROI to IC sounds promising, and I'll report on some other logics and system details as it becomes necessary so we can get a good feedback sandwich going.
 
Ya'll don't need a laffer curve to explain this. I'm actually still confused as to whether tax revenue is a. total tax take, b. total tax take less govt services or c. some other weird thing.

Also what's your economic model going to focus on now? You've mentioned trade/access as being important. But, ah, I'm not sure how relevant that is kinda/sorta. Maybe just lay or your logic.
 
Crezth, myself, and almost everyone on this forum it seems have been consumed by Stellaris! Not to worry though, we will have the full rule update this weekend, and will have orders due this coming Memorial day weekend. Please let me know if you have any pending questions, and I will answer them asap.

For new questions, PMs are infinitely better. I am almost never on Skype or Chatango these days :(

I will be posting some content soon on my own to get us pumped up :)
 
... when is Memorial Day?
 
Two questions:

1. Italy still got average Naval, wasn't it supposed to be strong ?
2. is there a reason why Luxembourg isn't in the stat. Poor little country, you can't hurt its feelings ^^
 
In looking up what Memorial day was I learned that Remembrance Day is only a Commonwealth thing. I suppose you learn something new everyday...

Also as stated earlier I will be unavailable until the 3rd of June so expect nothing of great value and please don't declare war on me or anything.
 
Masada said:
Also what's your economic model going to focus on now? You've mentioned trade/access as being important. But, ah, I'm not sure how relevant that is kinda/sorta. Maybe just lay or your logic.
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Resources & citizen productivity. I think it is an appropriate model for this time period. Hence why tax mostly amounts to an abstraction within the system, because I don't see tax as inherently affecting resources nor productivity (itself a function of technology and development). This is what I meant.
 
You need to rebalance your IC/EP then for it to work. And taxes absolutely have an effect on productivity growth at both ends. Government services are huge enablers of productivity growth and high taxes can cause a lot of drag. It's a good model on the whole, but it has a certain logic that needs to be obeyed for it to be logically consistent. I'll write more in a PM.
 
tobiisagoodboy said:
Two questions:

1. Italy still got average Naval, wasn't it supposed to be strong ?
2. is there a reason why Luxembourg isn't in the stat. Poor little country, you can't hurt its feelings ^^
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1. Italy should have strong naval
2. That is definitely a good question
 
Russia has better economy/industry than Italy.
 
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