Problem of war in democracy

[laurentfr2001]

Hi all,

First I have to mention that this is my first game in civ3 (even never played other civ games).

I took the french, and control a whole continent (even if russian control a bigger one and are stronger than me). I m the more advanced in terms of technology and got a pretty high culture...
I had to quick out japenese from my continent taking them some cities they put on my coasts.
The problem is that japenese don't want to stop war now, and all my people is angry, all my cities stopped production and people destroys some building in all my cities each turn...If things continue like this I ll have no more goodies in all my cities...(plants, univerties...).
Japenese got much more units than me, but middle age units when I have units from industry age...

Is there any way to make the japenes stopping this war or is my only escape is a change from democracy to comunism or monarchy ?

Thank u

 

[Tomoyo]

Raise the lux slider. Lose less units. Avoid getting attacked. Avoid invading. Get more luxuries. It can't be that bad. Marketplaces too.

Democracy in general is a very bad war government, unless you are a democratic warmongering specialist. Try Republic for a balance.

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[Yuri2356]

Welcome to Chlorofluorocarbon!

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Anyway about your whole War werriness problem you could try an old tactic used to get arround the Cennate in Civ 1&2: Overthrow your government, and then use your time in anarchy to settle your dispute (either by destroying your enemy, or negotiating peace) When you recover from anarchy: if you're still at war switch to commie untill you can settle the issue, if you've negotiated peace you can return to democracy and continue with the game.

 

[El Loco]

dont go to war in a democarcy. And if u MUST go to war in a democracy, never allow one of ur cities to be captured, that will unleash all hell lose.

 

[sabo]

If you war in Demo you should be the most advanced civ with advanced units so you don't lose any. ANd the wars need to be short wars 5 or 6 turns or less

 

[Mr. Do]

If your cities start rioting due to this war weariness, you could tell your city governors to take over and look after happiness until it's resolved- at least that way when the unhappiness gets progressively worse you won't see any riotting.

 

[Uiler]

If you war in Demo you should be the most advanced civ with advanced units so you don't lose any.

Just make sure you don't pit a tank against a spearman

 

[Oddible]

Warring in Democracy is not as much an issue if you have some basics - lots of luxuries, you DIDN'T start it, you have allies in MAs or MPPs, you're making big $$. You can just keep pushing the luxury slider and make it work.

That said, as its been mentioned, you have a couple options. Start workin your Lux slider (F1) and get your people happy. Avoid getting overthrown at all costs - you stop production for like 8 turns and the Japanese may overrun you. If you've only taken worthless Japanese cities far away from their capitol, then they are just pissed and don't feel threatened. The quickest way to peace is landing a huge invasion force right next to one of their major production cities. As soon as they see 10-15 units parked outside their glorious cities, they'll think twice about harping on your past aggressions. (Note, taking the capitol is also a good way, but typically significantly harder than other cities because of bonuses and number of units the AI stations there).

Oh yeah... and you could drop some units into their territory to make strategic strikes. Disconnect all their resources and luxuries. If they don't have Iron and Horses, they'll stop warring pretty quick. If their people start revolting (no more gems, spices, etc) they'll be making peace quick like.

Good luck.

 

[El Loco]

i dont like using governors...

 

[ChronoReverse]

I don't seem to have trouble warring in democracy usually. This is because I've usually so much GPT that I can up the luxury bar.

 

[Colonel]

Raise Lux rate, You should be able to run in a deficit for a few turns then take out the new Japanesse capital, they will settle it and cut thier loses

 

[Taliesin]

I like to ensure that wars in democracy are very quick-- either I make a surgical strike for some resource or strategic point, or the other civ is up against the wall as quick as you blink...
On those occasions when a war drags on because of unexpected military resistance or rotten luck (or sheer pigheadedness... I can't count the times a one-city "empire" has refused to negotiate with my modern armour SOD), I usually cut research to 0 and designate a scientist in order to free up room in the budget for luxuries when they become necessary. You lose a few turns of research, but it's better than squandering your hard-earned savings (and research becomes less effective anyway, due to decreased gold production, so there's less difference between optimal and minimal).

 

[Mauer]

I like to ensure that wars in democracy are very quick-- either I make a surgical strike for some resource or strategic point, or the other civ is up against the wall as quick as you blink...
On those occasions when a war drags on because of unexpected military resistance or rotten luck (or sheer pigheadedness... I can't count the times a one-city "empire" has refused to negotiate with my modern armour SOD), I usually cut research to 0 and designate a scientist in order to free up room in the budget for luxuries when they become necessary. You lose a few turns of research, but it's better than squandering your hard-earned savings (and research becomes less effective anyway, due to decreased gold production, so there's less difference between optimal and minimal).

I taught him everything he knows. Which would explain his ignorance

 

[laurentfr2001]

Thank you all for your help.

i solved the problem switching to comunism. By this way I could continue my war without any trouble

The problem is that the japense land was splitted on 2 continents. I quicked out from the continent where I am to stay alone on it. I took some important cities, but their capital is on the other island. So they continued the war during something like 20 turns...
Now there is peace again, but as soon I build some naval forces I ll surely give them a friendly visit in their capital It won't be difficult, they are quite late in terms of science.


This was my first experience with civ3. At least now I know that democracy is not very suitable if u plan an invasion .
lol

 

[Tomoyo]

If you fight your war smartly (i.e. not losing too many units) you should be able to wage war effectively in a Republic, especially if you have a lot of luxuries. Republic has the major advantage of Democracy (increased gold), but doesn't get completely destroyed during war.

 

[Longasc]

The real question is: Why should one ever prefer Democracy over Republic.

Just stay in Republic, it is not worth any extra anarchy period and the benefits of 150% workers and lower corruption are countered by high war weariness and no unit support.

In the earlier game, a war will seriously hamper you. In the late game, you will probably have lots of cities and benefit from Communism - in C3C at least.

 

[thetrooper]

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[Calder]

Check the F11 demographics screen and take a look at the percentage of happiness. I try and keep this over 70% by use of luxury slider and happy-controlling govenors. Also if you don't have the majority of luxuries in your empire, this will hurt and wars will have to be a lot shorter, and quite often than not your democratic government will fall even after five turns. Having most or all of the available luxuries enables you to fight a long war under democracy. Otherwise its wise to be communism/fascism.