Problems with spreading Religion

[Melnerag]

I'm playing as Sheiam, obviously following Ashen Veil.

My vassals, the Calabim, have suddenly decided to turn to Order (wth?) - and although Ashen Veil is present in their capital I do not have the option in diplomacy asking them to adopt my religion.

My neighbors are the Sidar and the Svar--something - I can spread Ashen Veil to their cities, but trying to spread it to their capital consumes the missionary and states that "failed to spread the religion". Although all their cities, except capitals, have Ashen Veil in them - I cannot diplomatically ask them to adopt AV as state religion. Both have no state religion, and they don't seem to be Agnostic either.

Can somebody explain what is going wrong? is it some civic they have? (if it was Theocracy,then it is rather strange when it comes Sidar and Svar as they have no state religion. Svar have changed from following AV to no-religion) Are there some hidden restrictions on the religion-spreading? Is it a bug? am I doing something wrong?

 

[Neomega]

Svar and Sidar may have converted to Esus, which I think is secret, unless you own the holy city of Esus

Religion spreading will fail if they are theocracy or religion, IIRC. Other than that, there is always a chance religion spreading will fail. But check their civics before trying to spread religion.

 

[xalien]

You can't ask them to change religions/civics if they're still in "cooldown" from the previous change.

 

[Emptiness]

My vassals, the Calabim, have suddenly decided to turn to Order (wth?) - and although Ashen Veil is present in their capital I do not have the option in diplomacy asking them to adopt my religion.

There have been reports that with patches H-J this ability no longer works. I think you may also no longer be able to ask vassals to change government types. I haven't had any vassals in any of my post-H games so far, so the opportunity to test this problem hasn't presented itself.

Svar and Sidar may have converted to Esus, which I think is secret, unless you own the holy city of Esus

You don't need the holy city, and having it won't reveal anything. If you don't follow CoE then you don't see who follows Esus (well, not on the scoreboard) and you can't see if CoE is present in any cities except your own. If you do follow CoE then other followers of Esus are identified on the scoreboard and you can see CoE present in all cities. If you follow CoE and also control the holy city then fog of war is removed in a one-tile radius around all cities that have CoE present. That last one may also require Nox Noctis to have been built; I don't think so but I'm not completely certain.

 

[Neomega]

You don't need the holy city, and having it won't reveal anything. If you don't follow CoE then you don't see who follows Esus (well, not on the scoreboard) and you can't see if CoE is present in any cities except your own. If you do follow CoE then other followers of Esus are identified on the scoreboard and you can see CoE present in all cities. If you follow CoE and also control the holy city then fog of war is removed in a one-tile radius around all cities that have CoE present. That last one may also require Nox Noctis to have been built; I don't think so but I'm not completely certain.

Thanks for the clarification. You only need the holy city, not nox noctis, to see removed FoW from all Esus cities.

 

[Melnerag]

thanks for the replies so far. for the reference (I have patch j) I can ask my vassals to change their civics. On second note, council of esus is founded by me, I have done everything not to spread it and only the city which founded it has it. it is said that CoE only has 3.1% of the world. (compare: Order is only practiced in 4 cities and it has 8%)

so I don't think those two factions have CoE after all?