Proposal for strategy of early aggression

[Eklektikos]

Plux, I'm hoping we'll get round to that (or the horseman equivalent depending on which, if either, the people decide is the best choice) a little later on. I'm advocating the archers first since they're relatively quick to build and aren't resource-reliant, thus guaranteeing us a fairly effective early strike force. As I say, hopefully we'll be raising a much larger force of horse/swords using the the mass-upgrade method once this early strike force has gone off to war.

 

[disorganizer]

i also like the proposal, i just would prefer the governor being involved into this discussion before it comes to a poll. did someone post this thread in the province thread?

 

[Eklektikos]

@Dis: Yep, I posted a link ovr there earlier today

 

[Grandmaster]

Once again beating a dead horse and trying to advocate swords.... I've just analyzed our starting location, and my guess is that with the hills and mountains around us and to the northeast we have a good chance of iron. Off topic, looks like we'll have a nice defensible capital too.

 

[disorganizer]

k' i would propose to wait till tomorrow till we post the poll (or leave him 24h to respond here before posting a poll).

 

[Eklektikos]

Gotta leave the poll proposal up for 24h anyway, otherwise the poll won't be anything more than informational. You should know that, Dis

 

[disorganizer]

Damn. I hoped you would fall into this pit *rofl*
No, i just didnt think of it (again). You know me!

 

[Octavian X]

A poll for early military strat should be informational, so the the military dept. can better follow the will of the people.

On the subject of further units, it is very likely we have horses and iron in the area, because of the presence of grasslands/hills/mountians. I woundn't bet on them being to close to one another, though.

 

[IceEye]

YES! attack em right away!

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

Originally posted by chiefpaco
I've not seen a reputation hit while the declaration of war is honourable (i.e. no units in enemy territory). So I am unclear where the reputation factor comes into play here.

Even further to this point, not only will your rep not be hurt if you execute correctly, but in my experience, and early successful raid on your neighbor reaps benefits into the middle ages, and long term too, as the other Civ's fear you.

Once we become strong, then the other civ's will not be our friends, but they will trade and deal as long as we are honorable.

Bill

 

[Phoenix]

If a rival is close by then we must strike fast and hard. I think that if not destroy the enemy we should cripple them. This could be achieved by building cities around their last few cities (or city) and making them pay us GPT.

 

[Octavian X]

Making the enemy pay in GPT will only result in a re-declaration of a war. I did this once, and the AI couldn't pay his dues. The only way to break the deal was to declare war, one I wasn't ready for.

 

[Eklektikos]

Right. No response from Josh yet so up it goes. Informational only

 

[Eklektikos]

Now that we have located what appears to be our nearest rival (the Aztecs), I am rewording and reproposing the second half of this strategy.

1. As we build our archers we use them to further explore the edges of our territory, but ensure that they do not stray too far from Aztec territory
2. Once our Archer/Spearmen force has been completed we send them to launch an assault on the Aztecs - preferably taking their capital but making sure not to wipe them out.
3. After taking the Aztec capital, or a significant proportion of their other cities, give peace for as much as we can squeeze out of them.
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   Please post your thoughts and suggestions regarding this more specific draft of the original proposal.

 

[Plux]

I am still all for the proposal on build Q: warrior/barracks/warriors and upgrading them to swordsmen after discovering Iron. The first warrior could do some exploration. I think the archers will have tough time against lots of JW's (Aztec's GA), and swordsmen will do better..

 

[Eklektikos]

Plux, the problem with using that strategy is that it could well fail due to lack of nearby iron. I'm hoping that the mountains near Bavaria will yield that resource, but we can't count on it. I've had this problem in the past when attempting that strategy for a first strike, and have come to the conclusion that the archer assault is the far more reliable method. I'd rather save an upgrade-rush of that kind for the creation of a much larger force a little later on.

 

[Shaitan]

I agree. Hopefully that beautiful grassland will hold some horses too, enabling a horse rush as well.

 

[disorganizer]

i would propose fanning out those archers to the south, and then continue to explore the north with the warrior.

we could use the archers to explore while putting them on hold near aztec territory to gather together to a strikeforce.

 

[Danke]

Eklektikos, I am with you, though I prefer the swordsman/iron rush when possible. I agree though, that betting the farm on getting Iron in the mountains makes no sense. I am firmly behind the spearman/archer/early hit on the aztecs plan. This needs a name though. How about "Operation Jaguar Hunt"?

 

[Shaitan]

I liked the Bully Plan from a couple pages ago.