donsig
Low level intermediary
Just keep in mind their capital is built on a hill. Also, iron working is right around the corner. Assuming we can get a supply of this great ore we should not make anymore archers after our first batch is recruited.
Proposal for strategy of early aggression
- Thread starter Eklektikos
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Ehecatl Atzin
Lore Master
And also remember that they possess iron working and we do not know wether they have the ore in their lands. If we decide to attack we should at least have iron working and a decent number of swordsmen, knolledge of the aztec homeland and a defensive front in case they reach one of our cities with their swordsmen.
I like the idea, but let us not forget the bigger picture, a group of swordsmen can, right now, easily take one or both of our cities.
Ehecatl Atzin
I like the idea, but let us not forget the bigger picture, a group of swordsmen can, right now, easily take one or both of our cities.
Ehecatl Atzin
Eklektikos
Eponymous
Ehecatl, the idea behind this plan is to hit them fast and early before they've had time to produce many (if any) of the more powerful ancient era units. If we wait until we have an effective number of swordsmen I believe that inspite of that unit's greater punch, we will face far stiffer opposition and risk losing the initiative altogether. Remember that they have to connect up a source of iron to start building swordsmen, and in my experience the AI is often quite slow to do that. However once they connect it up they can pour out swordsmen faster than we can possibly hope to at this stage, so it seems to me that the earlier we attack them the better.
Ehecatl Atzin
Lore Master
Yes, but it will still take time to produce even a small army of archers, look at our numbers:
3 warriors
1 archer
1 spearman
How many archers do you think will be necesary to not only attack, but to take their capital (on a hill). 12 turns is suficient to build an army, but that goes for the aztecs as well.
Yes, they need to conect the ore to their capital, but we do not know since when they have had this knolledge, they could very well be producing them now. Even a small group of jaguar warriors can take down our warrior units, not to mention archers. We must scout their lands...even if it means getting kicked out...Monty is polite, we can take that risk. But diving head first into a war with the aztecs without knolledge of their military might is something I am not willing to support.
Ehecatl Atzin
3 warriors
1 archer
1 spearman
How many archers do you think will be necesary to not only attack, but to take their capital (on a hill). 12 turns is suficient to build an army, but that goes for the aztecs as well.
Yes, they need to conect the ore to their capital, but we do not know since when they have had this knolledge, they could very well be producing them now. Even a small group of jaguar warriors can take down our warrior units, not to mention archers. We must scout their lands...even if it means getting kicked out...Monty is polite, we can take that risk. But diving head first into a war with the aztecs without knolledge of their military might is something I am not willing to support.
Ehecatl Atzin
Eklektikos
Eponymous
This early on? I think 5 archers should be capable of taking their capital, even on a hill. I fully agree with the idea of scouting around inside Aztec territory beforehand to get an idea of their strength and perhaps see if there are any good places we could send a warrior to distract their forces prior to our attack (noting that the AI will invariably divert its entire offensive military to deal with a single warrior that's "threatening" one of its important cities 
). I must say, however, that I've rarely seen an AI civ field enough units to effectively counter the strategy that I'm proposing.
). I must say, however, that I've rarely seen an AI civ field enough units to effectively counter the strategy that I'm proposing.Ehecatl Atzin
Lore Master
Yes, I have yet to experience it also, but I cannot stress enuff the importance of being informed and prepared for anything, especially in an emperor level game.
Ehecatl Atzin
Ehecatl Atzin
Cyc
Looking for the door...
Could you include in your proposal the details of what "completed" means as far as the archer/spearman force? I think a closer look at the number/type of units discussed are always important in a proposal/poll. I know they have been discussed before, but plans change.
Ehecatl Atzin
Lore Master
Just one other thing, I was going thru our maps and the aztec capital isn't on a hill, it isn't even in our maps! Teotihuacan is not their capital, it's the name of the second city they build. Tenochtitlan is the capital, by the patern of their border i believe it is to the west of Teotihuacan, unless they have built another city, in wich case we still need to find it.
Ehecatl Atzin
Ehecatl Atzin
Octavian X
is not a pipe.
We have only seen one city of theirs, and it ain't the capital. We need to recon to area before starting an attack, so we can strike quickly.
For us to use swordsmen, we need iron. Right now, I doubt we will have any unless our next city is placed next to one of the mountain ranges. Otherwise, archers should do unless they have more jaguar warrios then we thing. Rememer, their warriors may easily attack and destroy our archers.
For us to use swordsmen, we need iron. Right now, I doubt we will have any unless our next city is placed next to one of the mountain ranges. Otherwise, archers should do unless they have more jaguar warrios then we thing. Rememer, their warriors may easily attack and destroy our archers.
donsig
Low level intermediary
How are we supposed to tell the difference? They both start with T and end with N and there's a bunch of letters in between that are juxtaposed in such a way as to be unpronouncable in Fanatikan.
We need a poll to authorize the immediate renaming of any Aztec city we capture!
Maybe I should dig up some Polish names... 
Octavian X
is not a pipe.
'Enkephalonkia' all over again...
Ehecatl Atzin
Lore Master
LOL
I would opose the poll Donsig, but then again that would probably be a one-man no vote, hahahaha. Yes, I agree Octavian X, we need to recon their lands, heck! all lands! especially those surrounding us.
Ehecatl Atzin
I would opose the poll Donsig, but then again that would probably be a one-man no vote, hahahaha. Yes, I agree Octavian X, we need to recon their lands, heck! all lands! especially those surrounding us.
Ehecatl Atzin
neutral leader
governor of bohemia
theres a way to rename cities!?
Grandmaster
Deity
Just an idea.....
The Aztecs are the only Civ that are polite to us. Japan, on the other hand, is annoyed (I think.) It won't be too long until Japan gets the samurai (I know, a little ahead of myself, but no matter...) Maybe, instead of the proposed Aztec War, we should instead concentrate on locating the Japanese homeland and then conwuering it. That way, we could destroy a rival that doesn't seem to like us before they can get their UU. Later on, the Samurai could be dangerous. I still support an Aztec campaign, this idea just happened to come to me.
The Aztecs are the only Civ that are polite to us. Japan, on the other hand, is annoyed (I think.) It won't be too long until Japan gets the samurai (I know, a little ahead of myself, but no matter...) Maybe, instead of the proposed Aztec War, we should instead concentrate on locating the Japanese homeland and then conwuering it. That way, we could destroy a rival that doesn't seem to like us before they can get their UU. Later on, the Samurai could be dangerous. I still support an Aztec campaign, this idea just happened to come to me.
Octavian X
is not a pipe.
The first civ that would interfere with us would be the Aztecs. They will expand in our way, and if we're not careful, we won't be able to get to the Japanese over land. We need to go for the Aztecs first. Wasting time to look for another civ would be harmful.
Shaitan
der Besucher
I agree with Octavian. The Aztecs are expanding directly towards us.
Eklektikos
Eponymous
Full agreement with Octavian & Shaitan. The Aztecs are the immediate threat to our progress and should be dealt with as soon as possible. I'm hoping that we'll still be able to go and hamstring Tokugawa before he gets his Samurai, but that's another issue for another day 
disorganizer
Deity
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I also see that we should try to take their horsie-town asap. maybe in a strike together with their capitol and try to split their empire in 2 seperate paths so they will have to deal with massive unhappyness afterwards 
Bill_in_PDX
Grumpy Submariner
The Aztec's present a clear and present danger to the well-being of all Fanatikans.
I call upon all citizens to support a pre-emptive offensive into the horse rich territories to our south. We will be in an untendable tactical situation if we allow another civilization to control those beasts.
Bill
Chief Justice
I call upon all citizens to support a pre-emptive offensive into the horse rich territories to our south. We will be in an untendable tactical situation if we allow another civilization to control those beasts.
Bill
Chief Justice
