Public Investigation: People vs. Chieftess, Part I

[naervod]

Cyc has charged President Chieftess with a violation of the Fanatikan Code of Laws.

Charge: Violation of CoL: C.1.G

Evidence provided by Cyc
After being elected Governor of The North Province (NP), I took active control of tile development of the cities in the province. I posted Worker actions in my Province thread on Feb. 1st, with pictures and narratives stating what the Governor's Office needed done. Then I posted in the President's thread, telling her what I needed and put a link to the picture and narratives in this post. She then opened a Worker Agenda thread in the Citizen's sub-forum. This was done because of my post in the president's thread, I believe, so I made a post in her Worker Agenda thread (second one), explaining in more detail my requests and referencing my picture in the NP thread. I also posted a link in the Androbius Settler thread (initiated by the President) that lead to the same picture and narrative. Chieftess ignored all these attempts at communicating with her. Even thou7gh she posted the Worker Agenda thread, she never made a second post in this thread, probably because she would have to address my requests.

So, this PI charges Chieftess with violating COL C.1.G, in that she did not "organize" worker activities, as is her responsibility. She ignored repeated attempts of communication and did what she wanted instead.

COL C.1.G states that the president organizes worker activities.

Worker Action Instructions Posted in the NP Thread on Feb. 1st

Request for Worker Actions Posted in the President's Thread

The Worker Agenda Thread

The Anbdobius Settler Thread

Below is a picture showing the tile development that has been done in The North Province since Chieftess came to office (when compared to the above picture). Durring the last save she had 9 workers on the hill NW of Kukaff and the two others that were mining making 11 workers in the Province. Still she would not do one of my requests.

I am going to PM the Public Defender (Octavian X) and the Defendant (Chieftess) notifying them of the charges brought against President Chieftess.

As always, the first two posts are reserved for the Public Defender and the defendant. If they do not post their defense here in 24 hours, this thread is open for discussion.

This thread will be closed and a trial poll will commence after the discussion has lasted for at least 48 hours and also petered out.

 

[Chieftess]

I did start a worker thread, AND I even started a railway thread. If that isn't enough, then I don't know what is. We've only played 7 turns this entire term. There isn't much worker actions to discuss when the maority of the work force is foreign, and won't complete a task in that amount of time. Personally, I would LOVE to see more worker requests from governors. Other than that, it's still within my rights as the DP to control the workers as I see fit.

 

[Octavian X]

Chieftess is right. She has made organized worker actions, as evidenced by this thread: Worker Agenda: 1130 AD. Therefore, because Chieftess has made organizational efforts, the charge of NOT organizing worker actions holds no ground.

Because myself and Chieftess have posted our repective defenses, this thread is open to Citizen comment.

 

[eyrei]

Not guilty. This charge is bogus. Organizing worker actions does not require cooperation with anyone else, either.

 

[Cyc]

The definition of "organize" as stated in the Constitution:

Organize - In the context of a leader's duties, this includes suggesting a plan, discussing it and passing instructions onto the Designated Player.
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CT opened the thread, made some vague comments on three cities, and then walked away, completely ignoring requests for response from the Governor of the North Province, who determines tile development there. It was an obvious attempt to to preclude any discussion about workers, as she had already decided what she was going to do, and that is not how it is supposed to be. If you call that "organizing" you need to re-examine your priorities.

 

[Strider]

I think this PI is useless....

Cyc... you should have PMed CT about this first.... Then you could have sorted everything out without annoying everyone else in the process. If you can supply a PM inwhich you and CT tried to work this out and she refused then I will accept this as a PI.... Intill then it's just spam.

 

[Cyc]

No, Strider, you're incorrect in your asumption. No where in the law does it say that forum discussion is useless and that problems should be worked out through PM. Several attempts were publicly made by me to communicate with Chieftess about this issue. All were ignored. PM's as JUSTIFICATION? Where did you go to law school, Strider?

 

[Strider]

Originally posted by Cyc
No, Strider, you're incorrect in your asumption. No where in the law does it say that forum discussion is useless and that problems should be worked out through PM. Several attempts were publicly made by me to communicate with Chieftess about this issue. All were ignored. PM's as JUSTIFICATION? Where did you go to law school, Strider?

I didn't go to law school.... I'm 13.... and this is what we call Conflict Resolution.

Don't know were you came from, but around here we learned to try to work things out before pressing charges.

Also that might be the reason they were ignored.... Who knows... She might have left some hints that she did not want to do it in public.... A private conversation would have been much better.

Also.... A forum discussion is useless when it could easily be worked out in an completely other way. CT is nice... I'm sure she would have tried to do something if you PMed her about it... Now you've most likely hurt your standing with her.

 

[Cyc]

Give it up, Strider. These are public offices. If Chieftess is more comfortable doing under the table deals, she should start a union, not be President of Fanatika. Again, please stop with the PM issue. it is completely inappropriate to the issue.

 

[Strider]

Originally posted by Cyc
Give it up, Strider. These are public offices. If Chieftess is more comfortable doing under the table deals, she should start a union, not be President of Fanatika. Again, please stop with the PM issue. it is completely inappropriate to the issue.

Actually... It is appropriate to the issue. Your only evidence is a suspected grudge you have against her and and easily over-looked instructions.... CT has alot of worker commands to go through and even if then she has to remember them for about 4 hours. Everyone forgets things.... As far as you know... She might have built a mine there and then accidently irragated it by mistake.

Your evidence is solid-proof... yes, but what I'm trying to prove is that you did not make an extra effort to make sure she saw that. Once it happened the first time the best thing to do was to posted in the T/C thread that you forgot to do this then remind her (by bolding it or something) to make sure to do this.

 

[Cyc]

Please Strider, you're wasting forum space here with your demand for PM discussion for public issues. I'm not one to hang out in the chat room either, which mnay be acceptable practice for you, but is not required of Government officials. I will not respond to this over-worked, rediculous discussion anymore.

 

[eyrei]

I think any implication that Chieftess had some ulterior motive for not carrying out these instructions is taking it way too far. It may have been an oversight, but I do not think she was intentionally trying to stifle discussions about worker actions. Why would she bother?

 

[Cyc]

Then why did she ignore repeated attempts at discussion eyeri? why did she not post a SECOND time in her worker actions thread. Was she too busy to do the work of the President?

 

[Strider]

Originally posted by Cyc
Then why did she ignore repeated attempts at discussion eyeri? why did she not post a SECOND time in her worker actions thread. Was she too busy to do the work of the President?

Maybe she as to busy doing the other work of the president?

 

[Strider]

Sorry... posted it in the wrong PI thread.

 

[Cyc]

Strider, you're going way over-board on your attack of of me.

1. Why would I want to discuss grasslands if i wanted to concentrate on production.

2. The two build queues you've posted were for the last two t/c's. By then, because i was being ignored by the President, I had pretty much given up trying to get things done in an official manner. Which was probably what CT wanted.

3. In post #8 you try to explain why my instructions were ignored, now you're stating maybe she was doing the work of the President. Is ignoring Governors part of the President's job?

 

[Strider]

Originally posted by Cyc
Strider, you're going way over-board on your attack of of me.

1. Why would I want to discuss grasslands if i wanted to concentrate on production.

2. The two build queues you've posted were for the last two t/c's. By then, because i was being ignored by the President, I had pretty much given up trying to get things done in an official manner. Which was probably what CT wanted.

3. In post #8 you try to explain why my instructions were ignored, now you're stating maybe she was doing the work of the President. Is ignoring Governors part of the President's job?

Ahh.... Put that post in the wrong PI thread... but oh well....

Would the last two mean the one that is currentl going on at his moment and the Feb. 11th one or what?

 

[Strider]

Also.... As I see the information on worker actions is in every thread, but the T/C instructions thread.... You don't even have a link to the worker actions in your instructions. I doubt CT's going to be checking her president thread while she's DPing.... The only thread she is going to check is th T/C instruction thread or any thread that has a link from the instruction thread to it.

 

[donsig]

Were tile improvement requests or worker orders posted in the turn chat instruction threads Cyc?

I don't know if I'd be comfortable saying Chieftess did not organize worker activies. Starting two threads on the subject can be construed as organizing activity. The fact that she did not make further posts in the threads does not mean she did not read the threads and use their content to make her organizational decisions. I've not read the threads yet so I can't guess at that. If you did make your requests in those threads and no one made counter requests then it would seem that while the President did organize worker activity she may not have done so according to the will of the people.

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

I don't think a PM has anything to do with anything involved here. If the questions were in fact posed by Cyc in CT's own threads, then that is pretty reasonable I think.

I am very opposed to public business being done via PM.

However, I agree, a key test here is the question of what was given as instructions in the Turn Chat thread.