Puzzling Liberty policy order

[Silverfuturist]

That policy with golden age + future policy culture costs reduced... usually by the time I select that policy I am pretty much finished settling new cities. I can only see how that policy making sense is by having later era starts, where you pick many policies at once.

I wonder if the developers intended for us to wait until the 4th policy in to start settling cities... I think that is too late for most civs/situations on multiplayer. Or maybe they designed Liberty with city-spam in mind... your first few cities don't get the benefit, but your next 10-20 cities do?

 

[MadDjinn]

the calculation for SP cost is dynamic.

therefore, it never matters that you've finished settling cities by the time you take Representation. The calculation will be adjusted and you move on.

It's smarter to take Representation earlier, as the cost of the next SPs will be lower, even with expansion, than if you expanded before Representation. I don't mind taking Representation 3rd, as I usually aim for the NC early. Use the Oracle to grab the settler policy if that's faster than mass producing settlers. (or at least use it to gain a free Liberty based policy)

 

[Silverfuturist]

the calculation for SP cost is dynamic.

therefore, it never matters that you've finished settling cities by the time you take Representation. The calculation will be adjusted and you move on.

It's smarter to take Representation earlier, as the cost of the next SPs will be lower, even with expansion, than if you expanded before Representation. I don't mind taking Representation 3rd, as I usually aim for the NC early. Use the Oracle to grab the settler policy if that's faster than mass producing settlers. (or at least use it to gain a free Liberty based policy)

Thanks - I haven't crunched numbers on this policy - this is the kind of thing that would be useful if the Help menu explained the math of it (if it is already there, I didn't find it.) Or if it told you how much culture the next x future policies will cost, based upon current cities and culture... and how much they would cost if adding x cities as well.

Taking representation 3rd - I think in a single player game the plan you are saying works well. With a 6 person FFA, the Oracle is a hot wonder that is often hard to get. In a FFA with close neighbors, I find waiting until the 3rd policy means the premium land has been settled aready, which isn't a problem if you are able to go on a puppeting spree... but if all players have militaries of similar strength, expansion might not be possible.

 

[Tabarnak]

Getting Oracle is more useful than to wait for representation. Spamming over 5 cities is somewhat rare if you play with cs and some type of maps. The dynamic under mp and sp is completely different. Gold is way more scarce under mp, waiting for representation for your 5th or 6th policy is usually the best thing to do. The golden age is what you really want.

I go earlier for rep in sp games if i focus for a cultural victory.

 

[uigaw423]

I just go tradition and hard build settlers. Unless I go liberty....

 

[donhenriko]

That policy with golden age + future policy culture costs reduced... usually by the time I select that policy I am pretty much finished settling new cities. I can only see how that policy making sense is by having later era starts, where you pick many policies at once.

I wonder if the developers intended for us to wait until the 4th policy in to start settling cities... I think that is too late for most civs/situations on multiplayer. Or maybe they designed Liberty with city-spam in mind... your first few cities don't get the benefit, but your next 10-20 cities do?

I think the policy work retro-actively. You will get the bonus for cities that are already settled.

If you have two cities (ur cap + another) the cost of the 4th policy after having elected representation will decrease from 80 to 75 even if city is already settled.

 

[MasterMishi]

my instinct is that the GA aspect is stronger than the policy and that getting a GA slightly later will be better as as tab said u need gold and also your base prod will be better and you are prob out of chops then too