Question about stacking support units and corps/armies

[gunnergoz]

Anybody know yet if two combined units, for example a swordsman and a supporting siege tower that travel and fight together, can be mated with another swordsman to create a corps with a siege tower? Or does the tower have to be paired with the corps after it is formed?

The reason I ask is that it would be really great if we could form modern units that are truly combined arms.
Here's an example of what I'm thinking:
An Infantry army consisting of:
1 Infantry + 1 Medic
1 Infantry + 1 Antitank
1 Infantry + 1 Antiair
You can substitute 3 tanks for 3 infantry, etc in my example, of course. The point is that this would be the closest that Civ might ever come to allowing for truly combined arms task forces. (Civ IV Stacks of Doom do not count.)

I suspect the answer will be NO, that corps and armies can have only one support attachment after corps or army is formed but if that is the case it will be a lost opportunity.

 

[stealth_nsk]

Corps is some kind of upgraded military unit with +10 strength. It's not 2 units anymore. So, it could stack with 1 support unit only. I'm not sure whether it's possible to make corps out of support units, most likely not.

 

[gunnergoz]

Wait, I could swear that I saw corps being created in the videos from two of the same fighting unit. They combine with less than double strength, that much is true.

 

[narmox]

A corps is one unit, and one unit can be "linked" to one support unit only as far as I know, so no. Note that linking is only about moving the units together, and not about combining them to make a new unit. I'm guessing (none of the streams I saw tried to stack multiple support units on one tile) that you cannot stack or make corps out of support units, but either way it would be units of the same type.

 

[stealth_nsk]

Wait, I could swear that I saw corps being created in the videos from two of the same fighting unit. They combine with less than double strength, that much is true.

Yes, you could create corps from 2 units - in this case the less experienced unit is "consumed" and the more experienced one gets +10 Strength. Or you could build corps directly.

 

[gunnergoz]

Not sure you can build corps directly from production but at the 8:15 point in this video Marbozir creates a pikeman corps from two pikemen.

 

[stealth_nsk]

Not sure you can build corps directly from production but at the 8:15 point in this video Marbozir creates a pikeman corps from two pikemen.

Yes you can and yes, as I said it can be created from 2 similar units.

 

[gunnergoz]

Not to doubt you but did you see a corps being created direct from production in a video? Or what source do you have for this turn of events? Just curious.

 

[Gintoki89]

Not to doubt you but did you see a corps being created direct from production in a video? Or what source do you have for this turn of events? Just curious.

I don't know if it was in any of the LPs, but it was shown in the last dev stream, the one with Kongo and Rome.

 

[stealth_nsk]

Not to doubt you but did you see a corps being created direct from production in a video? Or what source do you have for this turn of events? Just curious.

This video, in the Kongo part:

 

[gunnergoz]

Got it, thanks. I'd seen the video when it came out but missed that particular feature of building the units right off.

 

[Spacereamer]

This is something that has me a bit confused. What are the point of corps? To me it seems better to have 2 strength 41 units rather than 1 strength 51 unit? Unless there are other mechanics or bonuses in play that I'm not aware of?

 

[stealth_nsk]

This is something that has me a bit confused. What are the point of corps? To me it seems better to have 2 strength 41 units rather than 1 strength 51 unit? Unless there are other mechanics or bonuses in play that I'm not aware of?

The mechanics in play is 1UPT. You can't use 2 units in place of one. Also, +10 is really big difference in Civ6.

 

[lietkynes]

This is something that has me a bit confused. What are the point of corps? To me it seems better to have 2 strength 41 units rather than 1 strength 51 unit? Unless there are other mechanics or bonuses in play that I'm not aware of?

Indeed it seems that there is little advantage.

The only one that I can think of is if you have a veteran unit with many promotions those 10 HP extra could help him survive a battle and reduce the risk of losing a precious unit.

 

[stealth_nsk]

Indeed it seems that there is little advantage.

The only one that I can think of is if you have a veteran unit with many promotions those 10 HP extra could help him survive a battle and reduce the risk of losing a precious unit.

It's not +10HP, it's +10 Strength.

 

[masda_gib]

This is something that has me a bit confused. What are the point of corps? To me it seems better to have 2 strength 41 units rather than 1 strength 51 unit? Unless there are other mechanics or bonuses in play that I'm not aware of?

1UPT as was said. And if you have one unit that has amassed some promotions you may want to keep it alive. That is easier if you combine it with another newbie-unit to make a corps. In another thread it was said that the corps keeps the highest promoted units promotions and now it is harder to kill.

 

[Spacereamer]

The mechanics in play is 1UPT. You can't use 2 units in place of one. Also, +10 is really big difference in Civ6.

Yea yea, I understand the 1UPT, +10 strength just seems like too small an increase to me.

 

[Spacereamer]

The only one that I can think of is if you have a veteran unit with many promotions those 10 HP extra could help him survive a battle and reduce the risk of losing a precious unit.

1UPT as was said. And if you have one unit that has amassed some promotions you may want to keep it alive. That is easier if you combine it with another newbie-unit to make a corps. In another thread it was said that the corps keeps the highest promoted units promotions and now it is harder to kill.

Ahhh, I wasn't aware of the promotions being kept. That could be quite powerful if you manage to keep units from early game and upgrade through to late game.

Roll on the 21st!

 

[Seek]

This is something that has me a bit confused. What are the point of corps? To me it seems better to have 2 strength 41 units rather than 1 strength 51 unit? Unless there are other mechanics or bonuses in play that I'm not aware of?

In addition to what has been said above, you can also build corps and armies directly in cities, and if you have a Military Academy you get bonus production when constructing them.

 

[stealth_nsk]

Yea yea, I understand the 1UPT, +10 strength just seems like too small an increase to me.

Just in case someone missed. Civ6 combat works on differences so 10 vs. 20 Strength is exactly the same as 100 vs. 110. And es, 10 is quite large increase.