Quick tips for newer players?

[Lord Yanaek]

It took me a while to discover that there are "set prices" for things you can sell to the AI.

Couple precisions.

• Luxury is worth 7 GPT or 240 gold if you have a DoF. That means you get more if you sell for a lump sum but you need a DoF. You can sell for lump + GPT if they don't have 240 gold ready but you'll have to remove about 15 gold from the max 240 (so you can't sell for 120+4GPT, most of the time you'll be able to sell for 105+4GPT) See Browd's answer below.
• If you buy a luxury, you'll have to pay 9GPT or 240 if you have a DoF
• Strategic is worth 1.5 GPT but if you sell copies one by one you can get 2GPT. You can sell multiple copies to the same AI for 2 GPT each as long as you sell them one by one. If you try to sell 2 horses you'll get only 3 GPT.
• If an AI doesn't pay at least 6 GPT for a Luxury and is Friendly, then it's in traitor mode and could DoW you out of the blue. Be careful.

 

[reddishrecue]

Have fun, make sure you do because thats one way how you can eventually get better at the game. Once you play you would want to play more and more since you like what youre doing and eventually get better at what youre having fun in.

 

[Browd]

For luxuries, the lump sum for a full-price trade is 240 gold. For each level of AI displeasure with you, subtract 33 gold (or if the AI doesn't have 240 gold, you can do a mix of gold and gpt, with 33 gold=1 gpt -- hence, 207 + 1 gpt or 174 + 2 gpt).

 

[Lord Yanaek]

Thanks Browd, experience showed me it was more or less 15 gold less than full price but i didn't knew the exact formula

 

[Xepthrichros]

Man I'd recommend just watching some tutorials and lets plays. Then come back with any questions. It would be so much more informative for yourself.

I'd recommend watching Marbozir on Youtube. He always plays Deity. And wins 9/10 of the time.

 

[Lexicus]

If warmongering, ranged units are how you achieve a high kill ratio against the AI. They are stupid, but not so stupid that they can't overwhelm you easily if you only use melee units (due to the fact that melee units always take significant damage when fighting, unless you have a 2 era or greater tech advantage).

 

[reddishrecue]

For luxuries, the lump sum for a full-price trade is 240 gold. For each level of AI displeasure with you, subtract 33 gold (or if the AI doesn't have 240 gold, you can do a mix of gold and gpt, with 33 gold=1 gpt -- hence, 207 + 1 gpt or 174 + 2 gpt).

Do you mean 33 gold or 30 gold? Since each gpt is 30 gold for 30 turns, then there's a 3 gold difference per displeasure by doing this. If you lower the gpt, you wouldn't lose 3 gold than by doing the difference with a lump sum. 30 turns of 1 gpt =30 gold while 33 turns of 1gpt = 33 gold.

 

[Browd]

The math is 33 gold per gpt when the AI is paying with gpt. The 30 vs. 33 has nothing to do with AI displeasure.

As odd as it may seem, an AI with a DOF will pay 240 gold up front, but will only pay 218 gold (7 gpt x 30 turns + 8 gold) for a predominately gpt trade. All I can figure is that the AI is programmed to be super-conservative on gpt trades (perhaps to minimize the risk that its income will tank at some point during the 30 turns and it may have to disband units).

Of course if you want to pay for a luxury with gpt, you have to pay 9 gpt (total 270 gold over 30 turns).

Equally screwy is that the AI will accept 5 strategics (total 225 gold value) for one luxury. But if you were to sell the strategics to the AI one-by-one, you could get 10 gpt. You could then buy one luxury for 9 gpt and pocket the 1 gpt difference. Exploit, yes, but hardly a quick way to get rich.

 

[reddishrecue]

The math is 33 gold per gpt when the AI is paying with gpt. The 30 vs. 33 has nothing to do with AI displeasure.

As odd as it may seem, an AI with a DOF will pay 240 gold up front, but will only pay 218 gold (7 gpt x 30 turns + 8 gold) for a predominately gpt trade. All I can figure is that the AI is programmed to be super-conservative on gpt trades (perhaps to minimize the risk that its income will tank at some point during the 30 turns and it may have to disband units).

Of course if you want to pay for a luxury with gpt, you have to pay 9 gpt (total 270 gold over 30 turns).

Equally screwy is that the AI will accept 5 strategics (total 225 gold value) for one luxury. But if you were to sell the strategics to the AI one-by-one, you could get 10 gpt. You could then buy one luxury for 9 gpt and pocket the 1 gpt difference. Exploit, yes, but hardly a quick way to get rich.

Yea.. selling strategic resources is good strategy.. Ais also offer 8gpt for luxes sometimes in the more difficult levels since the ai are more spoiled and make more gpt at those levels.

 

[Lord Yanaek]

If warmongering, ranged units are how you achieve a high kill ratio against the AI.

But don't go all bows cause if they have horses, they can kill your bows quickly (horsemen/knights kill archers/composite bowman in a single strike taking almost no damage), you still need some melee (can be spears/pikes) to tank some damage.

Speaking of warmongering, sometimes it's better to just move a unit in the way of AI units rather than attack. If you want to see some clever use of units, you can watch some of peddroelm's LPs as he's almost constantly at war with someone

 

[lockandload]

Check your borders on a regular basis, if you see troop movements on your border that means the AI is preparing to strike.

A lot of good suggestions in his post. I am going to emphasis the above to anyone new to the game. If you see the AI building up troops on your border, consider it an intelligence bonanza. You will have a few moves to set up your defense. If you take the initiative you can deal the AI a devastating (and hugely satisfying) first strike that cripples the AI's offensive. Target those ranged units.

You can also intimidate them from attacking by positioning your troops in their face. But in my experience they will just come back again. Best to get the hostilities over with, IMO.

 

[beetle]

What is the ratios that lump sum gold trades for gpt? (I know the player loses either way.)

AIs also offer 9gpt for luxes sometimes in the more difficult levels since the ai are more spoiled and make more gpt at those levels.

Please post screen shot or save file. Or maybe game speed effects this? I think you are mistaken.

I have never gotten better than 7 gpt from an AI (okay, 7 gpt + 8 when DoF). The only surprises are when an AI will trade lux 1:1 for their last copy. I think that means they are getting the lux from a CS ally. Presumably, the AI would pay more to trigger WLtK day, but I have never seen evidence of that.

 

[Acken]

25.5 gold per player gpt. Or 1 gpt for 33 player gold.

AI never trade more than 7gpt or 240g. They will trade a lux 1:1 only if they have another source. I think william is an exception due to his UA.

 

[beetle]

Thanks Acken, that pesky decimal made it so I could never work it out for myself!

William will trade his last lux at 1.5 the usual price. Other AI want 3x the usual price for their only copy of a lux, so that is not bad really.

 

[baranysos]

Also, i recently experienced and then checked it on the forums: AI will give 15gpt for a pair of luxuries.

 

[noonex]

On Normal speed you can sometimes sell strategic resources e.g. 1 horse = 2 gpt. So if you have 5 horses or iron - try to sell by one - that may be twice more gold than selling all 5 in single package. (and 10 gpt is a lot early).

 

[claudiupb]

From what I figure the AI will buy strategic resources at 2GPT as long as it considers it needs it. I don't know how exactly it calculates it's demand but you can sell a lot more iron to an iron civ and a lot more horses to a horse civ in general. Also in late game I am lucky to sell even 1 horse for 2 GPT to a civ. Iron is a little more valuable since frigates go obsolete so late. On any normal situation you should not have problems selling all extra Iron/Horse, you just need to click-click-click and propose deals to a lot of AIs. I don't sell any other strategic resource as I think it helps the AI too much (maybe oil, early, but I rarely have extra).

 

[reddishrecue]

What is the ratios that lump sum gold trades for gpt? (I know the player loses either way.)



Please post screen shot or save file. Or maybe game speed effects this? I think you are mistaken.

I have never gotten better than 7 gpt from an AI (okay, 7 gpt + 8 when DoF). The only surprises are when an AI will trade lux 1:1 for their last copy. I think that means they are getting the lux from a CS ally. Presumably, the AI would pay more to trigger WLtK day, but I have never seen evidence of that.

Youre right, i went to single player and tried to sell lux to ai and said no. Thanks for clarifying. When it comes to selling luxuries, ai will give 8 gpt max.

 

[beetle]

When it comes to selling luxuries, ai will give 8 gpt max.

AI will not give 8 gpt either. 7 gpt is the max. (Or 7 gpt + 8 gold when DOF).

 

[stormtrooper412]

on quick it is 8 gpt for a lux, 200 outright because it's 25 turns