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Rankings of overall power

RedRalph

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In a follow up to my military thread, please rank your top five or ten most powerful states on Earth, power in this instance being the ability to affect events beyond its borders and control events within them. Take in account economic, military, cultural, financial and any other measure you believe counts towards international power.
 
1. usa the strongest economy and conventional military with unmatched projection ability and bases around the world, second largest stockpile of nuclear weapons, and some strong alliances and as weve seen with afghanistan,and to a lesser extent iraq theres a lot of countries who can be persuaded to go along with them

its after that its hard to rank so im just going to list the others that are near the top in no order

china, they have a fairly large but not very well developed economy, large population, large military, nuclear weapons, diplomatically well no one really likes them but they can probably coerce some of their neighbours and due to trade most people have to listen to them to some extent

uk. a strong economy, fairly decent military with power projection abilities and some overseas bases, nuclear weapons special relationship with usa, good relationships with most of its former colonies, one of the eu big 3 so has influence within the eu

france, much the same as uk except their relationship with the usa isnt as strong, close relationship with germany

japan, strong economic power, a decent enough military but very little power projection and no political will to project power, mange to get on fairly well with there neighbours although they are hindered by their history

russia, still something of an economic power, large but mostly poorly equipped military, largest stockpile of nuclear weapons

germany, strong economy, good military but still lacking in power projection but not as lacking as japan, good relationships with their neighbour, arguably the most influential with the eu
 
1. usa
2. china
3. russia
4. japan
5. india
6. uk
7. germany
8. france

I agree quite much with this, except that when measuring overall power some countries could get to the list by beginning to behave very badly, like North Korea, Iran or Saudi-Arabia
 
Saudi Arabia is extremely powerful too, purely because of the oil. they dont appear to have any inclination to disrupt oil supplies to the west, but they could, and that fact alone makes them very powerful.
 
1. United States of America
2. People's Republic of China
3. Russian Federation
4. Republic of France
5. United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
6. Japan
7. Federal Republic of Germany
8. Republic of India
9. Islamic Republic of Pakistan
10. Federative Republic of Brazil
11. Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
12. Republic of Korea
13. Italian Republic
14. Canada
15. Kingdom of Spain
16. Islamic Republic of Iran
17. Kingdom of the Netherlands
18. Commonwealth of Australia
19. State of Israel
20. Republic of Indonesia
 
1. usa the strongest economy and conventional military with unmatched projection ability and bases around the world, second largest stockpile of nuclear weapons, and some strong alliances and as weve seen with afghanistan,and to a lesser extent iraq theres a lot of countries who can be persuaded to go along with them

Also they have huge cultural power, their movies, music and TV are seen aorund the world every day by millions, if not billions, no other nation can say that. Against them is their unpopularity among people, although as long as that dosent translate into unpopularity with governments then they dont care.

china, they have a fairly large but not very well developed economy, large population, large military, nuclear weapons, diplomatically well no one really likes them but they can probably coerce some of their neighbours and due to trade most people have to listen to them to some extent

they do have allies, Russia being one, and lots of African nations looking set to follow, also South america could become an area of infl;uence for them.

uk. a strong economy, fairly decent military with power projection abilities and some overseas bases, nuclear weapons special relationship with usa, good relationships with most of its former colonies, one of the eu big 3 so has influence within the eu

All true, although i thinke ventually theyre going to have to pick between the US and EU, I dont mean become an enemy of one, but to decide which one is their primary ally.

france, much the same as uk except their relationship with the usa isnt as strong, close relationship with germany

All true, social problems could be an issue, but thyey also have fairly strong cultural power.

japan, strong economic power, a decent enough military but very little power projection and no political will to project power, mange to get on fairly well with there neighbours although they are hindered by their history

Most of their neighbours hate them. A lot more than hate China anyway. I think their lack of will to project power is one of their striongest assets.

russia, still something of an economic power, large but mostly poorly equipped military, largest stockpile of nuclear weapons

energy is their biggest power, they are portrayed as bullies which will harm them in Europe, but probably not outside it, demographic issues could be a big hindrance.

germany, strong economy, good military but still lacking in power projection but not as lacking as japan, good relationships with their neighbour, arguably the most influential with the eu

Definitely the most influential, at the centre of the EU for sure.
 
In troop numbers according to wiki

China
USA
India
Russia
North Korea
South Korea
Pakistan
Turkey
Vietnam
Egypt

Make up the top ten.

Of course this doesn't account for machinery, weapons plus nuclear power.
 
Joe, there is another thread specifically related to military power, this one is for overall power as staed in the OP.
 
I'ld go with the general shape of the lists posted with a couple of changes -

1) Saudi more influential. Bags of cash and the region look to their lead.

2) India less influential. Despite how terribly well it is doing it's forign policy is locked into holding the status quo vis Pakistan and China. To an extent the fact it is doing so demonstrates it's influence, however outside of that sphere it boxes below it's weight. Perhaps when it has 4 carriers it will match that military power projection and it's growing economic power with a desire to influence wider events.
 
G&T: good point about India. the potential is there for them to be very influential, but at the moment they arent there.
 
Big Three
United States of America
Immense power projection, can stomp most countries militarily. Worlds biggest economy, leader of NATO, and massive cultural impact on the rest of the world.
Nuclear
Peoples Republic of China
Very powerful military, second largest economy, huge population, some allies, but has weak power projection.
Nuclear
The Russian Federation
Very strong modern military, only country other than US with long range bombers and signifigant power projection capacity, moderately strong economy, strong leadership, but has low population.
Nuclear
The other Seven
United Kingdom
Some power projection, decent military, many allies, but overall lacking the numbers to work alone militarily.
Nuclear
France
See entry for United Kingdom.
Nuclear
Japan
Strong navy but a relatively weak military, strong economy, and second largest cultural impact.
Nuclear**
India
Strong military, large population, but rather unstable and poorly advanced.
Nuclear*
Germany
Strong economy and military, no power projection ability.
Nuclear**
Pakistan
Strong military, but heavily troubled by internal strife, no power projection abilities.
Nuclear*
Brazil
Rising star of the 21st century dominates it's continent.
Nuclear**

*denotes a nation with nuclear weapons but no long range delivery system.
**denotes a nation with no nuclear weapons but the capacity to produce them quickly if necessary.
 
Joe, there is another thread specifically related to military power, this one is for overall power as staed in the OP.

Sorry! :)

Culture wise i think Britain has a pretty strong case, our books are still read throughout the western world, our tv programs are quite widespread and sporting wise we have invented football, cricket, rugby, tennis, badminton and quite a few more (incidently the world can now beat us at those sports but thats not the point!)
 
Yeah Britian is vert strong culturally... not just sport and writing, music and comedy too. the English are the funniest nation IMO
 
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