Real-Life Civilization

[Timsup2nothin]

In my opinion the whole 'atrocities' thing is nonsense.

Some go to war and admit that atrocities are just part of the deal.

Others go to war saying only the enemy commits atrocities and then commit them out of hand anyway.

Still others go to war and don't commit atrocities unless they start looking like they are going to lose, at which point they are 'forced' to 'do whatever it takes'.

And that covers everyone who goes to war. If you get through a war without committing atrocities you so outmatched your opposition that you never had any doubts about winning, and that isn't really any sort of moral high ground.

Bottom line, if you don't want to commit atrocities then war is not for you.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I can't be bothered to read all the previous pages, what is the premise for the discussion?

It started off as pointing out places where life was similar to Civ...this guy appears, clearly he is a great scientist...this city clearly has many unhappy faces, they need more luxuries...stuff like that.

I'm guessing that it degenerated into "this guy is a great prophet" "no he isn't, he's just an evil monster" style bickering.

As I recall it got a bit heated when Crimea 'culture flipped'.

 

[Lohrenswald]

Wouldn't that entail that because of Los Angeles USA should own most of north western Mexico?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Wouldn't that entail that because of Los Angeles USA should own most of north western Mexico?

Are you saying it doesn't? I just consider them to be unworkable tiles for the most part. Also, that would imply that LA generates culture, which is definitely debatable.

 

[Lohrenswald]

Well what's that hit movies wonder again?

 

[Kyriakos]

Around 17 years ago, when i was 18, i had a civ-related inside joke with a person from my old highschool. When we met to go to movies we noted how cool it would be to have a movie be just a civ-game. Then it would be in real-time. So the first turn is just a settler founding your city, naming it, and a worker starting to build a road. The movie lasts for that turn, ie 50 years

Yeah, i hated that guy too.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Well what's that hit movies wonder again?

That's good for the first border pop, and maybe over the long haul a second, but it's hardly going to make LA a key element in a cultural victory or overwhelm Mexico. LA is more of a high population production city churning out units.

 

[Lohrenswald]

That's good for the first border pop, and maybe over the long haul a second, but it's hardly going to make LA a key element in a cultural victory or overwhelm Mexico. LA is more of a high population production city churning out units.

No

Screw it

The premise is flawed, discussion invalid

move on

 

[Timsup2nothin]

And we see how it ended up in off topic!

Demonstration complete.

 

[Lexicus]

I'm guessing that it degenerated into "this guy is a great prophet" "no he isn't, he's just an evil monster" style bickering.

It did, actually, but that was brought under control and then it just went off-topic with people talking about real-world events but failing to relate them to Civ.
I had to petition the mods to get it back in OT. It was in Civ IV thread but now I guess we can open it up to explaining real-world events using the mechanics of any Civ game.

June 1943 Germans launch an attack on the Soviet stack outside Kursk but didn't pay attention to the combat odds and lost too many units.

US player built the Apollo program in 1969--the Soviets just gave up on it at that point.

Wouldn't that entail that because of Los Angeles USA should own most of north western Mexico?

Where does San Diego fit into this picture then

 

[Ajidica]

US player built the Apollo program in 1969--the Soviets just gave up on it at that point.

It has been a while since I've played Civ4, but should the Soviets have received a large pile of gold for not completing the wonder? (Or is the Apollo Project a project and not a wonder?)

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Where does San Diego fit into this picture then

San Diego is a cottage tile in the outer ring.

 

[Imperator Knoedel]

It has been a while since I've played Civ4, but should the Soviets have received a large pile of gold for not completing the wonder? (Or is the Apollo Project a project and not a wonder?)

It is a national project, so every civ can build it.

 

[HeliosDisciple]

The real luck is that Germany was defeated before the US finished the Manhattan Project. None of the Allies even had Rocketry researched yet, which shows some poor planning.

 

[gay_Aleks]

That's good for the first border pop, and maybe over the long haul a second, but it's hardly going to make LA a key element in a cultural victory or overwhelm Mexico. LA is more of a high population production city churning out units.

Wrong again! With that high population density, it would be clear most of the population would be turned into specialists who would produce culture.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Wrong again! With that high population density, it would be clear most of the population would be turned into specialists who would produce culture.

Maybe specialists that produce money, but not culture. I could see a financial city instead of a production city...there are a whole lot of well developed cottage squares.

Besides, you need food to support a large number of specialists, and LA has no food resources of any kind.

 

[gay_Aleks]

Seems like they've supported a lot McD- err, Sid's Sushi Corporation and now they have food AND commerce.