Reason I will buy Civ 7..

[Bobolove]

.. because of cities revolting in 6, like there is no tomorrow. I hate that mechanics. This is probably only reason I don’t want to play 6 any more.

Is there something that you hate in 6 that is pushing you to get 7?

 

[Xyael]

Do we tell him or not?

 

[Inotrobot]

There's n nothing I particularly hate about CIV 6, that they are fixing in Civ 7, just like the Direction they are going in..

 

[Mr Jon of Cheam]

The obvious answer to me is end game boredom.

 

[Sagax]

.. because of cities revolting in 6, like there is no tomorrow. I hate that mechanics. This is probably only reason I don’t want to play 6 any more.

Is there something that you hate in 6 that is pushing you to get 7?

They can still revolt in 7.

 

[Mr Jon of Cheam]

They can still revolt in 7.

I haven't had a chance to watch much of the latest content, what is the cause of revolts? Is there a hidden loyalty system or is it something else?

 

[Ebon-Hawke-]

I'm rather hoping the revolting is from happiness and settlement cap and not due to loyalty. Especially with the whole distant lands rush loyalty would seem counterintuitive, loyalty made that almost impossible in 6

 

[SupremacyKing2]

I haven't had a chance to watch much of the latest content, what is the cause of revolts? Is there a hidden loyalty system or is it something else?

They can revolt if city happiness drops too low. And if you exceed the settlement cap, you get a happiness penalty to all cities. Also, there appears to be an age crisis that causes happiness to drop, resulting in maybe some cities revolting if you can't bring happiness up. And I saw in some youtube videos that cities can flip to other civs when they revolt. So no loyalty mechanic but flipping can still happen due to low happiness.

 

[chaosprophet]

They can still revolt in 7.

The revolt seems like just a result of an specific crisis just as said on one of the streams, that there wasn't a loyalty system in the game but that one crisis would work kinda like it.

 

[Sagax]

The revolt seems like just a result of a specific crisis just as said on one of the streams, that there wasn't a loyalty system in the game but that one crisis would work kinda like it.

As in comments above, it’s most likely due to Happiness. The crisis during which I saw city-flipping had enforced happiness penalties, so that’s probably the true root cause.

 

[chaosprophet]

As in comments above, it’s most likely due to Happiness. The crisis during which I saw city-flipping had enforced happiness penalties, so that’s probably the true root cause.

It can be but that comment from a previous stream makes me think it maybe a system that only exist during that crisis, and that crisis having many happiness penalties is part of making it so you have a harder time dealing with it, just like how the barbarian crisis makes it so you need to pick cards that reduces your units strengths, increase gold you pay for the units making it harder to deal with the invasions.

 

[SupremacyKing2]

It can be but that comment from a previous stream makes me think it maybe a system that only exist during that crisis, and that crisis having many happiness penalties is part of making it so you have a harder time dealing with it, just like how the barbarian crisis makes it so you need to pick cards that reduces your units strengths, increase gold you pay for the units making it harder to deal with the invasions.

Yes. Here is a screenshot from one of the youtube playthroughs that shows us the policy cards during the crisis that affects happiness. We see that one card causes -1 settlement cap, one card causes -6 happiness in settlements you did not found, and one card causes -6 happiness in settlements with unfilled resource slots. So yes, all the cards hurt your happiness in different ways, forcing the player to deal with that.

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[chaosprophet]

Yes. Here is a screenshot from on the youtube playthroughs that shows us the policy cards during the crisis that affects happiness. We see that one card causes -1 settlement cap, one card causes -6 happiness in settlements you did not found, and one card causes -6 happiness in settlements with unfilled resource slots. So yes, all the cards hurt your happiness in different ways, forcing the player to deal with that.

Oh yeah, the question me and Sagax is having is if the crisis just makes it easier to lose cities, as the revolting system being normal part of the gameplay, or the crisis does both: it adds the revolt system and makes it so it is harder to deal with it. Considering what we know of other crisis and what was said in the stream, I think it is the latter. The crisis adds the revolting feature during the crisis, just like how barbarian one actually spawns barbarians and give you cards to make it harder to deal with.

 

[SupremacyKing2]

Oh yeah, the question me and Sagax is having is if the crisis just makes it easier to lose cities, as the revolting system being normal part of the gameplay, or the crisis does both: it adds the revolt system and makes it so it is harder to deal with it. Considering what we know of other crisis and what was said in the stream, I think it is the latter. The crisis adds the revolting feature during the crisis, just like how barbarian one actually spawns barbarians and give you cards to make it harder to deal with.

My assumption is that the revolting system is always there, just that the crisis makes it a lot harder. So, in a normal game, the player has lots of ways to boost happiness, so revolting is probably not an issue unless you are grossly negligent. The crisis amplifies unhappiness to make revolting a more serious threat.

Although I am a bit worried that the happiness mechanic is completely broken. Here is Quill18's playthrough, he has 12 settlements out 12 on turn 43 of the exploration age and he has a whopping +123 happiness. I wonder if revolting is ever going to be a serious threat if it is possible to have so much happiness?

 

[chaosprophet]

To give the exact info on it, the thing I mentioned is on the Exploration Age Stream where Ed says:

"I'll just say that there is a system very similar to loyalty. It's not a system that's on all the time, but there are three different crises that can possibly hit a player in eachof the ages and we have a crisis that is basically that same type of effect that loyalty, sort of like those dark ages in the rise and fall in Civ 6 where loyalty hit you really hard. That's what that crisis is about."

Which makes me think that revolting system is only active as part and during that crisis.

 

[SupremacyKing2]

Which makes me think that revolting system is only active as part and during that crisis.

That makes sense.

 

[chaosprophet]

Although I am a bit worried that the happiness mechanic is completely broken. Here is Quill18's playthrough, he has 12 settlements out 12 on turn 43 of the exploration age and he has a whopping +123 happiness. I wonder if revolting is ever going to be a serious threat if it is possible to have so much happiness?

Keep in mind though, if he then gets another settlement going over the cap, that would mean -5 happinnes per settlement he has. so just having another settlement would give him -65 happiness. Two over the cap and is -10 per settlement, so -140 happiness.

 

[Willie5000]

.. because of cities revolting in 6, like there is no tomorrow. I hate that mechanics. This is probably only reason I don’t want to play 6 any more.

Is there something that you hate in 6 that is pushing you to get 7?

If your cities are revolting that’s your fault. You’re supposed to build entertainment complexes in at least some of your cities and not settle them right in front of your opponent’s cities.

Firaxis shouldn’t remove features just because you’re playing the game wrong.

 

[SupremacyKing2]

Keep in mind though, if he then gets another settlement going over the cap, that would mean -5 happinnes per settlement he has. so just having another settlement would give him -65 happiness. Two over the cap and is -10 per settlement, so -140 happiness.

Thanks. I still think the numbers are too big but maybe I will get used to it when I play the game.

 

[chaosprophet]

Thanks. I still think the numbers are too big but maybe I will get used to it when I play the game.

I can see that, but then happiness isn't just a passive yeild that you just need to keep it positive to not get disadvantages (iirc, revolting aside, negative happiness in a settlement reduces its yields) but actually something you accumulate and then expend on the celebrations. So the amount you get will depend on how balanced are the amount needs for each celebration. Having cities over the cap main trade off isn't getting discontent cities, but instead less celebrations. And celebrations aren't just a temporary bonus, but even an additional card slot for each new celebration you get.