Release candidate 2.8.2.0 - testers needed

[Schmiddie]

Ja, das ist so. Auf diese Dinge wurde bisher nicht so viel Wert gelegt. Wird bis zum Release sicher noch angepasst, damit keiner verwirrt ist...
Readme und Install Instructions sollten meiner Meinung nach mal erneuert werden. RaR hat da einfach nichts mehr zu suchen.

Yes, that's so. Only little value has been attached to the readme now, because WTP team focussed on the mod. Will surely be amended until the release...

 

[devolution]

In the attached savegame, end the turn, the game does not process to the next turn.

Hi, are you playing with the new random seed option ? If that's the case, then someone loading the save could observe different AI behaviour (assuming that's the culprit ofc). If this is not the case, then this issue is probably more interesting

 

[raystuttgart]

If a lake has more than 7 tiles it is considered as saltwater. That is intentional, however i am not 100% sure that the thresold is seven.

Yes you are correct, that is how it works.
The threshold for the water plots is 9 though.

If the lake is "too big" it is basically considered "Ocean" thus "Saltwater".
That is still "Vanilla" behaviour by the way - unmodified by us.

 

[Hecur]

Hi, are you playing with the new random seed option ? If that's the case, then someone loading the save could observe different AI behaviour (assuming that's the culprit ofc). If this is not the case, then this issue is probably more interesting

New random seed is turned of. This setting should be by default turned of at it makes debugging and testing only harder.

 

[devolution]

New random seed is turned of. This setting should be by default turned of at it makes debugging and testing only harder.

I agree, but I know from experience that people use a wide range of options...

 

[devolution]

Yes you are correct, that is how it works.
The threshold for the water plots is 9 though.

If the lake is "too big" it is basically considered "Ocean" thus "Saltwater".
That is still "Vanilla" behaviour by the way - unmodified by us.

I know we should not "pollute" this thread by discussing new features, but I think that we could consider introducing a "freshwater sea\lake" terrain rather than abusing coast. It could make it easier to indicate the difference between a (freshwater) lake and a "salty" inland sea.

 

[Nightinggale]

Desktop-Icon of WethePeople is still the one from R&R.
in the english and german readmefiles of the mod, R&R still is described without a word of explanation that WtP is the successor of R&R.

File install instructions still describes the last version of WtP where one had to extract and move the DLL (depending on 1 or 2 plot choice) oneself.

Yeah I forgot to update the text files. It would be nice with a new icon, but I'm not the one making that.

New random seed is turned of. This setting should be by default turned of at it makes debugging and testing only harder.

Once CvGame is done loading, it runs extra code to generate a new random number if requested. It wouldn't be hard to add an overwrite of this for testing games even if random seeds are used.

 

[Kendon]

I've had this crash three times so I don't think it's coincidence. Each time I restart it works for a couple of turns and then crashes.

I'm playing Russia on the 1650 map. Fewer horses for scouts is a good change. It works well with the settler requirement.

 

[ConjurerDragon]

Event plausiblity.
Ship will stay becalmed for 1 turn - normally o.k. but here it hit a fishing boat while fishing.
So at a time where the fishing (or whaling) boat stays stationary for far more than one turn anyway.

Spoiler :

 

[Schmiddie]

**** happens, but nothing that needs to be amended to my view.

 

[devolution]

I've had this crash three times so I don't think it's coincidence. Each time I restart it works for a couple of turns and then crashes.

I'm playing Russia on the 1650 map. Fewer horses for scouts is a good change. It works well with the settler requirement.

Confirming, this is a genuine crash! (null pointer deref)

 

[ConjurerDragon]

**** happens, but nothing that needs to be amended to my view.

Well, it is at least misunderstanding as the fishing boat picture does not even stop to fish. "unavailable for any kind of duty except self-defence" implies that it would stop fishing and do nothing that turn.

 

[Nightinggale]

Well, it is at least misunderstanding as the fishing boat picture does not even stop to fish. "unavailable for any kind of duty except self-defence" implies that it would stop fishing and do nothing that turn.

Logically if a fishing boat is stuck without wind, but happens to be on top of a lot of fish, they will continue to fish. The issue is the text, not the gameplay.

 

[Nightinggale]

In the attached savegame, end the turn, the game does not process to the next turn.

It does eventually reach the next turn. The issue is that CvUnitAI::AI_exploreFromShip takes up 97.52% of the time. Obviously this number is neither expected or acceptable. Both AI and pathfinding are @devolution territory.

Me. I'm moving on to network desyncs. Keep the desync savegames coming if you have them. For the time being we have no way of knowing if there is one or multiple desync bugs.

 

[CurtnoAnna]

Here's something interesting. I copied a worldbuilder map that I spent a lot of time modifying , from my mod challenge folder into this versions public map folder. Well the the 2 plot - 1 plot option didn't show (makes sense) but I had this added feature. My city plots did not default to hemp production. All my cities were random. Some hemp, some tobacco and even one with barley. Is random city plot yields a future possibility for an upcoming version? I don't know anything about modding so I wouldn't know if this would be difficult to do. Love the work you have all put into this. I have a few thousand hours "invested" in this on Steam (2504.2 hours). Mostly with WTP and R&R.

 

[Nightinggale]

Well the the 2 plot - 1 plot option didn't show (makes sense) but I had this added feature.

BeginMap
    City Catchment Radius=2
EndMap

Add this under BeginMap and you can pick 1 or 2. I highly recommend it if you have cities in your scenario because without specifying the player could change this.

My city plots did not default to hemp production. All my cities were random. Some hemp, some tobacco and even one with barley.

It should pick whatever sells for the most in Europe. You can click on the colony plot in the colony screen and force a specific yield if you want. There is no way to set this in world builder though or save it in the scenario file. Honestly I didn't think of world builder when I coded this feature. All I considered was compatibility with savegames and network games.

If you feel like making scenarios you want to share and/or need more features from this mod, then do make a more detailed feature request about what you have in mind. However this isn't the thread for it and odds are that whatever you request won't make it into the next release. It's time to fix bugs and release, not add more features. However there is always next release and we should release more often than we have done in the past.

 

[ConjurerDragon]

Plausibility treasure merging.

In my current game I used the merge treasure option the first time and it worked perfectly adding both treasures up to a new one of the combined size.

However that was in a newly founded city that consisted only of the two basic structures Base Camp and Carpenter´s shop.

Spoiler :

As discussed here
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/treasure-transports.655374/
the winning poll option was that merging of treasures for ease of ship transport should be possible only in cities with facilities that provided the needed hands and equipment (e.g. a pier / dock).

However the option works even in just started cities. This does not make much sense - even the fisherman can´t go out fishing in his small boat without a finished pier in the city - why would that city be able to unload, merge, load up again those treasures on the largest transportship existing, lacking the same pier?

 

[ConjurerDragon]

I located a portoguese ship near their colony in Greenland (random gigantic Americas map),

Spoiler :

attacked and sunk their ship with my Privateer.

A privateer´s true nationality usually is unknown to other players and appears like a pirate.

However just after the sinking picture, where I hoped to get some nice cargo load I got a diplomacy screen instead with Mem de Sá who made me a peace offer that I could not refuse so that the Netherlands and Portugal are at piece.

How would Portugal know that the Privateer was mine when privateers do not fly national colours?

 

[XSamatan]

Plausibility treasure merging.

In my current game I used the merge treasure option the first time and it worked perfectly adding both treasures up to a new one of the combined size.

However that was in a newly founded city that consisted only of the two basic structures Base Camp and Carpenter´s shop.

Spoiler :

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As discussed here
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/treasure-transports.655374/
the winning poll option was that merging of treasures for ease of ship transport should be possible only in cities with facilities that provided the needed hands and equipment (e.g. a pier / dock).

However the option works even in just started cities. This does not make much sense - even the fisherman can´t go out fishing in his small boat without a finished pier in the city - why would that city be able to unload, merge, load up again those treasures on the largest transportship existing, lacking the same pier?

This looks like it is WAD. In this post Ray explains how he will implement the concept.

I would leave it at its current state, the system works very well!

Regards
XSamatan

 

[Mr. ZorG]

However the option works even in just started cities.

merging of treasures is possible in any city. however, it is also possible to send them to Europe only from a city where there is at least a pier. this is normal.