RFC: The Slowest Loading Mod?

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Charles Martel

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I love all the concepts behind this mod. This is what civ should have always been.

Unfortunately, the mod is too CPU-intensive, more than what is reasonable to expect from any computer game. It takes ages to load, it takes ages between turns. The lags are so long to the point of making it unplayable, especially in the mid-late game, when the number of units dramatically increases. Plague is ad hoc and doesn't do enough to speed things up.

I hoped that the BtS version would have been significantly faster. I am disappointed, the mod still crawls along. At this pace, I will never complete a game. I know that there are few kids out there who are willing to spend 50% of their playing time sitting in front of their computer screens just waiting for the next turn to load. But the rest of us have a real life to live. We just don't have that much time to spend waiting for computer games to load. I want to play, not waste my spare time staring at the hourglass icon!

I have grown tired of "Waiting for other civilizations" to take their turns. So I've given up bothering with RFC. My suggestion to Rhye is that he does the same, unless he finds some means to reduce loading times within acceptable limits.

Rhye, I suggest you either concentrate your efforts on turning RFC into a faster mod (I guess you'll have to reduce the number of civs and units, use a smaller map, and remove some of the CPU-intensive features) or else you abandon this project altogether and work on something else. Seriously man, you are wasting your talent! It’s like devising sophisticated gadgets for a car whose maximum speed is 10 km/h. Why be bothered by the subtleties if the major fault can't be fixed?

P.S. No need to ask me what my computer specifications are. There's nothing wrong my PC. Every other app (including other CPU-intensive 3D games) runs smoothly and sufficiently fast on my PC.
 
I have had no issues with performance on Rhye's. Load times for accelerated starts are acceptable because of how they uniquely generate the world. Besides, even in RFC Epic (which is double the turn length), it only took me 6 minutes to wait for Rome to spawn (from 3000 BC)

To put in perspective, I have a Core 2 Duo 6600 (2.4ghz), 2gb of DDR2 533 RAM, nVIDIA 7900 GT 256mb and RAID-0 HDD array.

My system is by no means top of the market, if anything, my system is probably indictive as a minimum spec for anyone who is vaguely serious about gaming on the PC.

Regardless it seems to me like you "don't have time" for PC gaming in general. Could I perhaps recommend a console - they are perfect for those that are a little impatient. :)

Edit: I just browsed through your other posts, you don't really have anything positive to say about anything do you?
 
Actually, if you're going to be that critical, there is a need to ask you what your computer specs are.
 
Tip: Buy more RAM.

I have plenty of RAM.

I have had no issues with performance on Rhye's. Load times for accelerated starts are acceptable because of how they uniquely generate the world. Besides, even in RFC Epic (which is double the turn length), it only took me 6 minutes to wait for Rome to spawn (from 3000 BC)

The waiting time for your chosen civ to spawn is sort of acceptable. I can cope with that, I'd just do something else while the game begins to load. The major problem is with the time it takes in between turns. In the mid-late game, it takes longer to "wait for other civilizations" than to actually play the game. That's not acceptable by any reasonable standards. In other words: it sucks big time!

Regardless it seems to me like you "don't have time" for PC gaming in general. Could I perhaps recommend a console - they are perfect for those that are a little impatient.

Impatience is not the issue. It’s a playability issue. Please don’t try to turn this into a personal problem of mine, because it isn’t. It’s a mod’s problem, and a very serious one that needs to be properly addressed by the developers.
 
If it is such a non-issue, why don't you post your computer specifications so that we can help identify why you are having such problematic turn times?

Whilst your feedback is valuable and valid, please do not make such cutting demands of "the developers". The team is just Rhye and he works on this mod to increase his own enjoyment of the game (as most modders do), he is not getting paid for this, and as such does not actually owe you anything.

If this was a commercial venture, I'd be the first to stand behind you on your complaints - but considering that this is player-created content, you cannot expect the optimisations and flawlessness that comes from years of professional development.

Saying this, Rhye has exerted a lot of time and effort on ensuring this mod runs smoothly on a number of machines, but without a fully paid QA department, there will always be problems for certain people under certain configurations of their system (this can be driver related, hardware related or simply software related).

So, returning to my original point - please do post your system specifications, they will allow us to help work through the issues you're having and hopefully rectify them.
 
You, Charles Martel, share my concerns. I'm very impatient like you. I did really my best to limit the lag, so the only help I can offer is to help fix your PC problems, if you have any that's slowing down such intensive apllications.

oh wait.
You're the one who wrote this

I agree. Albania and Poland are much more influential than Italy.

Kweeky must be right.
 
Oh dear. Some people can only criticise eh?

1 dissenting voice in how many downloads now? I think that shows clearly where any "problems" with the mod lie.

Then again RFC plays fine on my ageing 3 year old PC so of course im not going to complain. :crazyeye:

This thread is just trolling guys I suggest not replying to any more posts.
 
You, Charles Martel, share my concerns. I'm very impatient like you. I did really my best to limit the lag, so the only help I can offer is to help fix your PC problems, if you have any that's slowing down such intensive apllications.

Thank you for your prompt reply. As I've already said, my PC works fine, there's nothing that needs to be fixed there. What needs to be fixed is your mod's excruciating slowness. If there's nothing more you can do about that, too bad... I'd strongly recommend you drop this project and work on some other thing people can actually play. It's really a shame to see your talent and creativity being wasted like that.

oh wait.
You're the one who wrote this
Kweeky must be right.
Originally Posted by Charles Martel
I agree. Albania and Poland are much more influential than Italy.

Stavo solo facendo uno scherzo quando ho scritto quella cosa, ovvio no? (= "I was only joking when I wrote that, wasn't it obvious?", sorry for my awkward Italian).

Yes, I am the one who once jokingly wrote: "Albania is more influential than Italy". So what? How is that relevant to your mod being slow? Please address the issue, not the person.
 
1 dissenting voice in how many downloads now?

This is from quartertothree.com's review of RFC:

"The main drawback is that this is a really CPU intensive mod. The map is huge and there’s a lot going on here. These games move slowly, and if you’re barely hanging on with only a couple of cities, you’re going to spend a lot more time waiting than playing."​

So it seems I am not the only "dissenting" one...

This thread is just trolling guys I suggest not replying to any more posts.

Do you also think that reviewer quoted above was "just trolling"?
 
Criticism is great - especially if it is actually backed up by proof/savegames/screenshots/dxdiags/specifications - suggestions on how to improve.

Generalisation, accusationary comments and demands aren't so great.
 
Whilst your feedback is valuable and valid, please do not make such cutting demands of "the developers". The team is just Rhye and he works on this mod to increase his own enjoyment of the game (as most modders do), he is not getting paid for this, and as such does not actually owe you anything.

I am demanding nothing. I'm only suggesting to Rhye that he should either try harder to fix the speed issue, or, failing that, drop the project and work on something less ambitious.

If this was a commercial venture, I'd be the first to stand behind you on your complaints - but considering that this is player-created content, you cannot expect the optimisations and flawlessness that comes from years of professional development.

This mod is part of a commercial venture. The official Firaxian version of RFC ships with BtS, which is neither for charity nor free of charge. I am not complaining about RFC for vanilla and warlords. I am complaining about RFC for BtS, and am entitled to do so, because I paid for it.

Saying this, Rhye has exerted a lot of time and effort on ensuring this mod runs smoothly on a number of machines, but without a fully paid QA department, there will always be problems for certain people under certain configurations of their system (this can be driver related, hardware related or simply software related).

I appreciate Rhye's effort. But if the loading time issue can't be adequately fixed, his hard work sadly goes to waste. As to the lack of a fully paid team of developers, that's of course Firaxis' fault, not Rhye's. If Firaxis wants to sell a mod done by non-professionals, they must first ensure that the mod has reasonable loading times. Either that, or else the unprofessional stuff is best left out in order to develop more worthwhile content.

So, returning to my original point - please do post your system specifications, they will allow us to help work through the issues you're having and hopefully rectify them.

I use several PCs. But since you insist, that's one I frequently use for gaming:

  • IntelCore 2 Extreme QX6700 Quad-core processor
  • SLI-enabled Dual 768MB NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX graphic card
  • 4GB Dual Channel DDR2 Memory (667MhZ)
  • SoundBlaster X-Fi Extreme Music audio
  • Perfectly functioning thermoelectric/liquid cooling sytem
 
I use several PCs. But since you insist, that's one I frequently use for gaming:

  • IntelCore 2 Extreme QX6700 Quad-core processor
  • SLI-enabled Dual 768MB NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX graphic card
  • 4GB Dual Channel DDR2 Memory (667MhZ)
  • SoundBlaster X-Fi Extreme Music audio
  • Perfectly functioning thermoelectric/liquid cooling sytem

Hey, you've got better specs than I do, and it works fine for me. Sure, there's a wait here and there, but I expect that. I suggest you do something in between turns, like make a sandwich or something, I dunno. Use your imagination!
 
Why is your memory clocked at 667mhz? Or rather considering the rest of your specs, why opt for 667?

I'm sorry, but this doesn't sit with me right. If *that* system has troubles with Civ 4, my goodness, by all rights my system should be struggling with Office 2007.

Perhaps you could post some Device Manager screenshots, DXDiags and a CPU-Z result, so we can check that everything is setup correctly? :)
 
Anyway, for the loading times I can only suggest you to play random maps RFC when it's released...

Thanks. I've read about the new project and am looking forward to that. It's a shame that Firaxis doesn't give you more professional help.
 
I use several PCs. But since you insist, that's one I frequently use for gaming:
  • IntelCore 2 Extreme QX6700 Quad-core processor
  • SLI-enabled Dual 768MB NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX graphic card
  • 4GB Dual Channel DDR2 Memory (667MhZ)
  • SoundBlaster X-Fi Extreme Music audio
  • Perfectly functioning thermoelectric/liquid cooling sytem

Quite weird. I'm using a
  • AMD Athlon 64 3000+
  • 2 GB DDR PC400
  • ATI Radeon X550 256 MB graphic card
  • Realtek AC97 audio chip embedded in the Gigabyte GA-K8N motherboard
  • Seagate ST3160811AS 160GB 7200RPM SATA2 system disk
  • Windows XP Professional SP2
and the loading time for Rome starting 3000 BC is some 5' 40".

Unfortunatelly I'm not on any RFC game at the moment, I'm getting confidence with normal BtS before.
But, as the loading time is similar to the Warlords one, I'm not expecting any dramatical slowdown in the later game. That's to say not enough time to play a solitaire on the other pc. :)

It really looks like your system has a problem.
Why don't you attach a savegame, indicating how long it takes you to get to the next turn?
 
I've played every incarnation of this mod, vanilla, warlords and now BTS. BTS loads faster than all previous incarnations by far. My computer is about half that of this guys and I haven't had any problem with the load times, even before the plague was introduced.
You either have a virus or a bad config or serious impatience issues. It's not the game though.
Kudos, as usual Don Rhye!
 
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