Rhye's of Europe Code Coordination thread

[ijnavy]

The issue of independents in Russia is tricky, because for a long time there just weren't many cities. It's a huge space, so 10 cities seems very reasonable - maybe more than 10 are in order - but we may want to switch some of the proposed ones out for others. It's a good start.

I believe one of the proposed UHVs for Russia (Moscow) involved controlling Greater Russia (including Ukraine, Belarus, and the Baltics). I'm fine with the first proposed UHV, but I don't think they'll have time to put a railroad across Russia (let alone Siberia) - it's still up in the air whether or not railroad should even be in the tech tree, as we're planning on ending around 1800 (1850 at the latest.) If railroad's in the tree, it's going to be in roughly the same spot as Laser or Stealth - probably outside of Russia's research price range.

Then build the Kremlin and Siberia project by 1800.
Are the plagues a good idea?

 

[st.lucifer]

Then build the Kremlin and Siberia project by 1800.
Are the plagues a good idea?

What did you mean by 'Siberia project'? Colonize Siberia, similar to current RFC?

The plagues are...historically accurate, but crippling to gameplay. We'll probably have to drop about half of them - imagine playing England and getting hammered by plague after plague for 20 out of 30 or 30/40 turns?

I believe the religions are listed earlier in the civ discussion thread. They may have been in the first thread on the topic, which is deeply buried - I'll try and find the information and put it on the wiki.

 

[ijnavy]

What did you mean by 'Siberia project'? Colonize Siberia, similar to current RFC?

The plagues are...historically accurate, but crippling to gameplay. We'll probably have to drop about half of them - imagine playing England and getting hammered by plague after plague for 20 out of 30 or 30/40 turns?

I believe the religions are listed earlier in the civ discussion thread. They may have been in the first thread on the topic, which is deeply buried - I'll try and find the information and put it on the wiki.

The Siberia project will be one of the Colonization project. I read somewhere that because there is only Europe, there will be different projects. Like Portugal builds the Brazil project. More UHV:
Byzantines
1. Make sure that there are 10 Orthodox nations.
2. Build 10 world wonders by 1300.
3. Control Italy, Balkans, and Levant in 1300.

Papal States
1. Make sure that the world is 40% Catholic
2. Build the Apostolic Palace, 3 Catholic Churches, 3 Catholic Cathedrals, and 3 Catholic monasteries by 1300.
3. Only religion in Spain, France, and Italy is Catholic in 1700 (Add inquisitor unit).

France
1. Paris most cultural city in 1500.
2. Control Iberia, Italy, and Germany in 1810.
3. Build the Canada and West African projects.

Portugal
1. No Al-Andalusian cities in Iberian peninsula in 1400.
2. Most reveled map in 1700.
3. Build Brazil and Macau projects.

List of the 13 projects:
Canada
US
Peru
Argentina
Brazil
West Africa
South Africa
Siberia
India
Indonesia
Australia
Macau
Hong Kong

 

[st.lucifer]

The Siberia project will be one of the Colonization project. I read somewhere that because there is only Europe, there will be different projects. Like Portugal builds the Brazil project. More UHV:
Byzantines
1. Make sure that there are 10 Orthodox nations.
2. Build 10 world wonders by 1300.
3. Control Italy, Balkans, and Levant in 1300.

Papal States
1. Make sure that the world is 40% Catholic
2. Build the Apostolic Palace, 3 Catholic Churches, 3 Catholic Cathedrals, and 3 Catholic monasteries by 1300.
3. Only religion in Spain, France, and Italy is Catholic in 1700 (Add inquisitor unit).

France
1. Paris most cultural city in 1500.
2. Control Iberia, Italy, and Germany in 1810.
3. Build the Canada and West African projects.

Portugal
1. No Al-Andalusian cities in Iberian peninsula in 1400.
2. Most reveled map in 1700.
3. Build Brazil and Macau projects.

List of the 13 projects:
Canada
US
Peru
Argentina
Brazil
West Africa
South Africa
Siberia
India
Indonesia
Australia
Macau
Hong Kong

This discussion belongs in the civ thread. That's a lot of projects - I know that there have been proposals, but I don't know that we ever agreed upon them. Let's move it over to the discussion thread and see what people think.


It's becoming obvious to me that I need to update the wiki with all of the early stuff so we can reference it more easily - I can't remember what's been agreed upon and what hasn't. That'll be project #2 after the civ start dates.

 

[jessiecat]

This discussion belongs in the civ thread. That's a lot of projects - I know that there have been proposals, but I don't know that we ever agreed upon them. Let's move it over to the discussion thread and see what people think.


It's becoming obvious to me that I need to update the wiki with all of the early stuff so we can reference it more easily - I can't remember what's been agreed upon and what hasn't. That'll be project #2 after the civ start dates.

I don't remember much discussion about the idea of projects outside Europe. But it makes sense to have something to represent colonial expansion esp. in conjunction with guilds/trading companies.

BTW I've started to make skeleton descriptions on some of the pages already. What I've done so
far is now highlighted. Do you mind if I continue just putting the names and headings on each page similiar to what I've started? People can then fill in details as they go along.

 

[onedreamer]

Post 130 is 10 cities for Iberia. Russia is much bigger than Iberia, so I thought that 11 would be the min.

In fact, if you note I wrote Russia AND Europe

There are too many indipendents I think. I had already brought this up months ago. Indipendents are good, and I understand that the time period suggests that all these cities should be already placed on the map, however one might say the same about chinese and egyptian cities in RFC 3000 BC, not to mention Sumerian ones.

Maybe there should be less independents everywhere.

Exactly.



I wouldn't say Moscow should control Istanbul. That's more appropriate for several other civs. I'd rather put the condition that it vassalizes X european civs, or control Scandinavia, etc.

 

[jessiecat]

In fact, if you note I wrote Russia AND Europe

There are too many indipendents I think. I had already brought this up months ago. Indipendents are good, and I understand that the time period suggests that all these cities should be already placed on the map, however one might say the same about chinese and egyptian cities in RFC 3000 BC, not to mention Sumerian ones.



Exactly.

I wouldn't say Moscow should control Istanbul. That's more appropriate for several other civs. I'd rather put the condition that it vassalizes X european civs, or control Scandinavia, etc.

I'm afraid I partly disagree with you on this. The idea of colonization in civ is fine where you've got lots of unoccupied territories. But that's not the case in most of Europe. It's not like the whole area was empty in 500AD. We'll have a lot of civs invading pre-existent kingdoms which need to be represented by independents. A good example is Iberia, as I've said. The Visigothic kingdom breaks up in 711 to be replaced by 3 new civs eventually. So you need a few independent cities for them to conquer, most of which were well established in Roman times. Although, I admit that some limit needs to be placed on the numbers of them.

 

[onedreamer]

I'm sorry but "a few" and "11 in Iberia" aren't synonyms IMHO. Colonization is part of Civ, as I said I understand it isn't fully accurate, but this is still a game. The Romans didn't establish those settlements either but just conquered and developed them. Yet in RFC as Rome you are to found them. I'm not saying there should be no indipendents, but neither too many. Moderation is the best way, most times. This is my last comment here as we are OT.

 

[Whitefire]

Sorry for the delay on a rough tech tree. I had to do a presentation on Jamaican and Hungarian cuisine last week, so I was a bit busy. I should have something up tomorrow or Monday.

P.S. If a native could help me with traditional Hungarian cuisine it would much appreciated since my final isn't for another week.

 

[Rhye]

Sorry for the delay on a rough tech tree. I had to do a presentation on Jamaican and Hungarian cuisine last week, so I was a bit busy. I should have something up tomorrow or Monday.

P.S. If a native could help me with traditional Hungarian cuisine it would much appreciated since my final isn't for another week.

OT: can you cook gulash?

 

[OzzyKP]

Sorry for the delay on a rough tech tree. I had to do a presentation on Jamaican and Hungarian cuisine last week, so I was a bit busy. I should have something up tomorrow or Monday.

P.S. If a native could help me with traditional Hungarian cuisine it would much appreciated since my final isn't for another week.

Paprikas! Mmmm, very good stuff. Much better than goulash.

Chicken Paprikas or Mushroom Paprikas (for a vegetarian variant) are both really good. And cucumber salad.

 

[Whitefire]

OT: can you cook gulash?

I'm going to be trying to in a week. So far all I've done is the oral report on the country's history and how it affected the evolution of Hungarian cuisine.

Ozzy, I need a good recipe .

 

[OzzyKP]

My mom's recipe:


Mushroom Paprikas (Gombos Paprikas)

Sauce
2 lbs Button mushrooms sliced (can buy fresh already sliced)
1/2 stick Salted or Unsalted Butter
1 Medium Onion, chopped
3 Garlic Cloves, chopped (can buy already chopped in a jar in the produce section)
1/2 cup of tomatoes, chopped (buy in can)
1/2 cup Water
1/2 tsp. Salt
1 Heaping Tbsp. Sweet Paprika
1/2 tsp. Black Pepper
1 bell pepper, chopped (option)

Thickener
1/2 Tbsp Butter
1/2 Tbsp. Flour

In large sauce pan, melt butter over medium-high heat. Saute onions until clear, (about 7
minutes) then add tomatoes and peppers. Add seasonings and garlic. Cook for 2 minutes.
Add mushrooms. Reduce heat to low. Simmer for 10 minutes. Add water. Cover, bring to
boil. Then lower heat as low as it will go. Cook for about 1 hour. Stir occasionally.
Thicken if desired right before serving. Serve with nokedli or pasta of your choice.

How to thicken sauce:
Melt 3 TBL butter in small sauce pan. Mix in 3 TBP flour and cup of sour cream. When it
forms a paste, remove from heat and mix into sauce thoroughly. Mix until smooth.

Serves 4. Triple or Quad recipe for 12-15 people.

Nokedli is definitely recommended if possible (though fat pasta noodles can work in a pinch). Some recipes for nokedli:
http://www.spiderwebsoftware.com/misc/recipes/nokedli.html
http://www.recipezaar.com/54823
http://almondcorner.blogspot.com/2008/03/hungarian-papriks-csirke-with-nokedli.html


Cucumber Salad (Uborka Salata)

4 cucumbers
Salt to taste
1 onion
black pepper to taste
4 tablespoons white vinegar
2 teaspoons water (about)
Fresh sweet paprika to taste
Peel the cucumbers and slice into very thin rounds. Sprinkle with salt and let
stand for 15 minutes. Squeeze out the liquid from the cucumbers. Slice the onion very
thin and mix with cucumbers. Add the salt, pepper , white vinegar, and water to cover
the vegetables. Sprinkle paprika generously on top.


jo etvagyat!

 

[OzzyKP]

Cucumber Salad:

Paprikas:

Me

Let me know if you get a good grade. :b:

 

[3Miro]

Hi, I am not sure if I should post here or in the Map Discussion thread, so tell me if I need to move.

I am new to RFC:Europe and I am trying to catch up. Question regarding the Balkan map by jessiecat. Do we keep the RFC condition for only 1 tile space between cities or do we use the vanilla civ 2 tiles condition. If we keep the 1 tile it is possible to have multiple Bulgarian cities with the same name. I can see how to build three Varna cities on the Map. (Even with the two tile radius one can place 2 Varna cities). I don't want to be presumptuous and/or step on people's toes, but I am trying to figure out how to update the map. (I have never done this before so it might take some time)

 

[Úmarth]

I've got to say, this might be the farthest off-topic I've ever seen a thread go

I am new to RFC:Europe and I am trying to catch up. Question regarding the Balkan map by jessiecat. Do we keep the RFC condition for only 1 tile space between cities or do we use the vanilla civ 2 tiles condition. If we keep the 1 tile it is possible to have multiple Bulgarian cities with the same name. I can see how to build three Varna cities on the Map. (Even with the two tile radius one can place 2 Varna cities). I don't want to be presumptuous and/or step on people's toes, but I am trying to figure out how to update the map. (I have never done this before so it might take some time)

We're sticking with RFC rules unless we have a reason not to. The guideline is (and this is Rhye's suggestion) that cities should occupy approximately 2x2 squares. We should certainly avoid the possibility of duplicate city names but IMO it's acceptable for very large cities, especially capitals, because it's very very unlikely to happen unless somebody was purposely trying to do so.

 

[jessiecat]

I've got to say, this might be the farthest off-topic I've ever seen a thread go


We're sticking with RFC rules unless we have a reason not to. The guideline is (and this is Rhye's suggestion) that cities should occupy approximately 2x2 squares. We should certainly avoid the possibility of duplicate city names but IMO it's acceptable for very large cities, especially capitals, because it's very very unlikely to happen unless somebody was purposely trying to do so.

I take his point though. In the NE Balkans where the Bulgarians will spawn I've put more
than 4 squares for Varna as that's where their first settler will likely found a city on the
S. bank of the Danube. Same for area N. of the Danube. After a few turns it will expand
into a BFS naturally so it won't matter. Any city founded 1 sq. in any direction will have
that name. Elsewhere I couldn't get away with that. Except maybe for Beograd but that
will already be an independent I think.
BTW I agree. Map stuff should be on the map thread.

 

[jessiecat]

Hi, I am not sure if I should post here or in the Map Discussion thread, so tell me if I need to move.

I am new to RFC:Europe and I am trying to catch up. Question regarding the Balkan map by jessiecat. Do we keep the RFC condition for only 1 tile space between cities or do we use the vanilla civ 2 tiles condition. If we keep the 1 tile it is possible to have multiple Bulgarian cities with the same name. I can see how to build three Varna cities on the Map. (Even with the two tile radius one can place 2 Varna cities). I don't want to be presumptuous and/or step on people's toes, but I am trying to figure out how to update the map. (I have never done this before so it might take some time)

I'm not sure which map you're looking at. Is it the original WB save or the recent excel map
which I posted with the Bulgarian/Byzantine city names? If it's the latter then you might notice
that the Bolhorod/Kilia/Tomis/Varna/ area has been tightened up. Also, it is the Bulgarian start
point as I just explained, so prob. Bolhorod will be their first city, just S. of the Danube. The
second one north might be Kilia or Tomis, and the third Varna and then Bargas. But nobody's
going to establish more than three on the Black Sea are they, even if you only put them only
1 square apart. If it were me I would found Bolhorod and then 4 squares south found Varna
as my 2nd. city. Wouldn't you?
And as has been just said, we should be discussing this on the map thread.

 

[jessiecat]

Code Coordination thread brought forward for continued discussion and reports by 3Miro and others.

 

[3Miro]

I made most of the Balkan maps and I am pretty confident about the way they look. I don't think we need to change those unless there a major overhaul of the terrain.

Jessie cat, just read your post.