Russian WWII

[Steve Winer]

I was wondering, wouldn't the world be a whole lot more different if we would have fought the Soviet Union in WWII? There probably wouldn't have been a cold war, just war. Then the U.S. and Russia both develop nukes and then .............

:die:

 

[Hurricane]

Well, yes. I think the fact that Soviet developed nukes much faster than anticipated destroyed USA's chances of making a pre-emptive strike against the SU.

 

[Leglaen]

Do you mean if the US had joined the Axis and then fought against the Soviets? The combined German-US effort to build the A-bomb would have brought it a few months sooner probably, and thus we would have been able to use it faster.

As regards the land war, instead of Lend-Lease going to Russia and Britain, Britain would have been knocked out of the war and Germany would be receiving the Lend-Lease and American soldiers(most likely), which would enable them to decsively defeat the Soviets.

 

[God]

But why would US fight Russia during WW2? There were far more non-Germas in the US and most didn't want to ally with the Nazis.

And then it depends on what part of the war you're talking about. The Soviets were bad industrially but had alot of resources and manpower. The US in 1940 didn't have much but then got their war time industry going and caught and surpassed Germany in power. But then so did the Soviets in '44 and they were building bigger and better tanks mas rapido. By '45 the US was very powerful having not lost too much as the war was mostly fought outside their borders, while on the otherhand the Soviets had barely hung on, but managed to revive themselves after the war to almost even out with the US.

So its very unlikely that we would fight against the Soviets and it depends on when we would fight.

Ofcourse if we are in fantasy land where anything can happen, and for some odd reason the US allied with Germany, then even before the American troops would arrive in Europe, Germany would have mostly crushed Russia, and with the little help from the Americans overcome battles at Stalingrad (which was the turning point in the war IMO), and Russia would have been finished. England then would be invaded and who knows what would happen there. Then Hitler would manage to get to his goal to the Middle East, destroy the British forces in the area (including my grandad ) and its oil. (Although I'm not sure how much he cared now since he wanted the oil earlier to stop Russia and Britain). And then the world would be conquered and then the universe and Mickey Mouse would be elected vice president of the world and who knows what... blah blah blah...

 

[stalin006]

well if u are wondering a soviet invasion of europe............u should try my brand new scenario "October Fury: the soviet invasion of europe" *hint-hint*

 

[joespaniel]

Originally posted by Steve Winer
I was wondering, wouldn't the world be a whole lot more different if we would have fought the Soviet Union in WWII? There probably wouldn't have been a cold war, just war. Then the U.S. and Russia both develop nukes and then .............

:die:

It is well known that Gen Patton, after the defeat of Nazi Germany, would have liked to continue to Moscow. The western nations had had enough of war, and he was dismissed as a crazy.

The US only had 3 a-bombs (1 tested, 2 dropped on Japan), and I dont know how long it took to make more. Russia didnt get their first until 1949 (?). So a conventional war was possible in 1945, in theory.

However, I dont know who would have won such a conflict. Theres good reason to think either side had an even chance.

Glad we never found out.

 

[God]

Another problem for the US to fight Russia in eastern Europe would be that its Russias land/ near home and most of the people would be supporting Russia. The US would not only have to fight battles against armies but possibly face gurreila wars and the US was far from home, making them bring troops in from a long distance at a constant rate while Russia was right there.

 

[joespaniel]

One of Hitler's great mistakes was mis-treating the peoples of Eastern Europe. When German armies entered the Ukraine, they were hailed as liberators, at first, and were ready to join in the fight against Russia. But not for long.

After suffering under the Germans, until the Red Army pushed them back, the Eastern Europeans may or may not have been in the mood for American, British and French armies to come blazing through.

A deffinate factor in securing precious supply lines for such a campaign.