SADETO [GoobNES01-Fallout]

Several issues face SADETO today (specifically South America, but if the CU want to draw attention to itself, we could not the disturbing slide into despotism and abuse of legal and political rights...)

The Argentinian delegate will be offering our recommendations later, but for now we just wanted to lay some of the more prominent issues on the table, in order to get responses/suggestions from other member states (or interested observers). For example, we are not suggesting immediate SADETO intervention in most of these situations, and believe that particularly the internal issues can be solved with careful consideration, diplomacy, and precise, limited efforts if possible.

-One of the main issues is the significant politcal/ideological divide evident in SADETO today. This may or may not be a bad thing, but the disagreements are obstructing or stopping altogether certain efforts to advance or successfully address existing problems, and we should look into resolving this.

-Colombia's pro-fascist uprising. Does it exist?

-Colombia/Panamanian relations. What is the current situation?

-Some both inside the country and out have accused Ecuador of having a "autocratic military government". This should be investigated, along with how well Ecuadorian's liberties are being protected.

-Ecuador's alleged persecution, imprisonment, and forced relocation of Aboriginals.

-Political and civil persecution in Chile.

-Majority-Mapuche relations in Chile.

-Bolivia's political system in need of reform.

-Bolivia's economic problems, Colombia's economic issues, potentially economic problems in Chile

-Political instability/lack of representative government in Paraguay.

-Aboriginal/goverment/business relations in Brazil
 
Colombia states that there never has been, nor never will be a Fascist Uprising in Colombia. Colombia is a proud Socialist Nation, all Colombian citizens support Socialism. Colombia accuses Peru, Ecuador, Brazil, and Chile of trying to make a Fascist uprising in Colombia, which are denied by those 4, and things go on . . .

Colombia claims that Panama is a part of Colombia, Panama is currently a "Commonwealth" of the USA (OOC - like Puerto Rico IRL), and will be holding a National Referendum on whether to actually join the USA this year.

Ecuador informs SADETO to remind its own business. How Ecuadorians choose to have their nation be run is up to the Ecuadorian people, not SADETO. SADETO is only a military and economic alliance, not necessarily political. What Ecuador does to its citizens is also the sole business of Ecuador, not of SADETO.

Chile strongly denounces SADETO attempting to interfer in Chilean activities. Chile demands an apology, and demands a statement from SADETO pledging to not interfere in Chilean internal activities again. If this goes on, Chile will have to re-consider its place within SADETO.

Paraguay lodges similar concerns about SADETO getting involved where it has no place.\

OOC - I interpreted that as an official statement, foolish. If not, then please disregard. Remember, not all of this can be resolved merely by diplo.
 
Bah. Irritable insecure despots. I got what I deserved, thinking I could try and help their puny nations. //definitely not an official statement.
 
OOC - foolish, did you get my reply to my E-mail? I can't remember if I replied or not.
 
Matt Sukha looked annoyed, but he had to restrain himself. "Honorable diplomat. Emperor John the First was defeated by a counter-coup led by the CUIA and things are back to normal in our country. The whole affair was concluded in less then half a week."
"Please note that the CU has never - and never - abused the rights of her citizen and has the best record in mankind of dealing with colonies at the expense of herself. We have no idea where you have your reports of violence and abuse of rights. You must be thinking of what happened in Qatar when India invaded and we faced a potential 1000-1 odds by going to military action to liberate the people."

"It is a great scandal however, that we did not arrive in time to save the beurocrats executed by the delusional megalomaniac through the use of field guns. Several prisoners were taken and they will be facing trials in the upcoming year."
 
Toteone said:
"It is a great scandal however, that we did not arrive in time to save the beurocrats executed by the delusional megalomaniac through the use of field guns. "

That's what we were talking about. We are glad civil law has been restored. We were, understandably, not quite up to date about circumstances in the CU due to some interruption of normal reports and conflicting broadcasts. Our congratulations on your successful counter coup.
 
This is what happens to alliances that don't let in new members they let in...
(check date of above post)
 
Obviously another significant issue :

The CU and India, are they in or not? Let's hear some information from Brazil about their status. Argentina suggests an alliance wide meeting to hammer out new rules (or keep them the same) so that hopefully the charter or bylaws will address at least some of these issues.
 
Colombia, noting that Brazil has been rather inactive of late, officially puts forth a proposal to SADETO to have the Director (OOC - whatever the official position is called, Leader of SADETO) be changed from Brazil to Argentina. Colombia believes that Argentina can properly lead SADETO through this transition period, and unite all South Americans again under a Socialist Banner. Venezuela and Bolivia concur with Colombia.

Colombia also demands that SADETO recognize that Panama is a part of Colombia, and asks SADETO to help Colombia pressure the USA to return Panama to Colombia.
 
OOC: Thanks Goobs....that will teach me not to be sick..
IC: Brazil points out that according to the rules the leader can only be changed if most members pass a vote of no confidence.
Brazil would like to take 3 more months (days) to draft a new consititution of the Alliance. India will get aid in case of war with UIS. Her future status is withthe alliance as a "non SA alliance member" as shall be written in th constitution.
The Columbian question shall be put on vote in the general assembly.
 
Please, the CU needs the free trade agreements you have to offer by putting her membership in your organization into your order (Brazil's orders).
 
Yes India also requests you put it in your orders. We are gald to see this alliance has been reveived from along slumber.
 
India is already granted "overseas membership" so obviously all trade agreements apply. We have a lot to discuss with you once we settle things out particulary regarding trade.
CU after all will not be granted membership, as our alliance is made up of independant nations, not nations who wish to "under"merge with another power. CU's behaviour on this issue and "untrustworthyness" in many areas now close the question on CU's membership in SADETO. (OOC: sorry bud)
 
Very well - Russia is a better choice then South America anyway.
(ooc: That's ok. :))

May the CU have free trade with SADETO as compensation for being fooled around 15 years for nothing?
 
Article 3. Leaderhip
The leader is elected by a simple majority every 10 years or when all members of the alliance, but the current leader, ask for a re-election.


That's coming up in the next year. Argentina's SEDETO rep will wait to see the new constitution before casting Argentina's vote.
 
Colombia, Bolovia, Venezuela, and paraguay are dead-set against giving aid in any form to India. They aregue that India's extreme Fascist Governemnt wants to control Pakistan and Afghanistan against the people in those two country's wishes, and that India did order a genocide of Muslims not so long ago. Colombia and Venezuela are threatening to withdraw if aid is given to India.

On the other side of the page, Chile and Peru demand that SADETO step forth, and help india fight the evil Muslims which wish to subjegate the poor hindu people. Chile and Peru further declare that not aiding India would be undermining Fascism, and the reasons that this Organization was created. Racouos debate follows.
 
To Coloumbia, Bolivia, Venezula and Paraguay
From India

If we are the agressor then how do yu explain this?

It all started when Muslim extremists, or what looked like Muslim extremists, planted several bombs in Northern Indian cities, and set them off, killing over 30 people. The Indian Government was furious, and blamed Iran and Pakistan

They managed to trick a USE Carrier and some USE and Greek ships to pursue UIS ships up the Dardanelles region, near Istanbul, where they set off a Nuclear Weapon, destroying those ships. At least, the UIS is suspected of setting off the Nuke.

The UIS carried out bombings in our cities killing our civiillians and you call us the agressors? Not only that they NUKED their own CITIZENS
 
And here is a transcript of negotians with the UIS showing how irrational, agressive and stubborn they are

Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
hi
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
hi
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
Just got back form camping trip
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
3 days
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
Has there been a update for Goobs?
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
yeo
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
you attacked me
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
What?
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
you bombed me then I bombed you and then we started fighting. Mind you it was Fanatics that did the bombing and I knew nothing about it, did you? If you didnt I will just assume it was josef and try and order a stand down.
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
Also Hindu fanatics nuked Instanbul
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
Bloody hell I don't need this **** again
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
I am asure you would rather me going west then east right?
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
Are my orders diffcult to read or something?
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
I have a feeling the bombings of Hindu temples and mosques was perpertrated by another.
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
As you know I am in a state of war with the USE and the Greeks
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
PErhaps if India was to show itself willing to be friendly with the UIS, by resigining the NAP, working together on counter-terrorism issues and also an Indian decleration of war on Greece for their continued occupation of Cyprus then we shall be friends
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
I will not declare war on Greece
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
What goes on their ois none of my buisness
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
At the moment we are contemplating on cutting world oil supply off to all nations who do not publicly state that Greece should withdraw from Cyrpus
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
If Pakistan does not back down we are going to war
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
Pakistan back down over what?
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
They started this war but I will finish it
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
We started nothing mate
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
Yes I'm sure Muslims blowing themselves up in India is nothing
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
we did not perpertrate these crimes. However Hindus blowing up Instanbul has created 4 million civilian fatalities. Is this nothing? Why deploy these terrible weapons?
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
HIndus in Istanbul I find that amusing
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
they set off a Nuclear Weapon, destroying those ships. At least, the UIS is suspected of setting off the Nuke. They immediately blamed it on the USE and Greeks, and used that as propaganda to rally Millions of Muslims in a Jihad against the evil Spanish.
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
Hahah
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
Why fight us?
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
Why did you attack?
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
we have done nothing to you, and you have done nothing to us, I have a feeling these bombs are being made by others
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
We do not wish to fight a war on the Indian border so long as you continue to abide by the DMZ.
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
If you prevent terroist infiltration
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
If a single more bomb is exploded in Indian terriotry.....
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
then you prevent Hindus bominb mosques
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
Where pray tell did any Hindu's bomb mosques?
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
and if you do go to war with us, it is time to reveal that we have a mutual protection pact with China over that very issue
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
go to war with us and then go to war with China
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
And destroy you both
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
The Indian Government was furious, and blamed Iran and Pakistan. Then simultaneous explosions took place in Mosques in Pakistan and Iran, infuriating Muslims. Muslims blamed Hindus, who blamed Muslims. After 3 days of intense rhetoric, the shooting began.
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
also I have an agreeemnt with the Russian government that if you attack me they shall assit
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
I have not attacked you
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
You have attacked me
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
I have done nothing of the sort
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
check with your intellegence. I am not the only nation that borders you that has muslim residents
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
futhermore your use of biological warfare shows that you cannot win a fair fight
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
India still has many challenges to overcome before she can become a Superpower. She faces a potentially very costly war with Pakistan that is unwinnable, and possibly with China. Inside India, poverty is still bad, but getting better
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
I'm in SADETO btw
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
yeah we realise that
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
thats why we are allied to Russia and China.
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
Unless you want a world war you will back down
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
Because we will not
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
why should I back down. ALl I have done is defended myself in your imperialist land grab. I have not taken any territory and any damage done to your civilian infrastructue has been done by extremisits not supported by my government
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
Where have I invaded you pray tell what land have I taken?
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
in reutrn your extremeists have bombed our holy sites and has nuked Instanbul. Futher you use biological weapons while we posses none and you continue to spew the Hindu fanatic line 'Pakistan is part of Greater India' when it is an independent nation and part of the United Islamic States'
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
Your extr4emists have bombed our cities
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
The only certainty about this war is that neither side will win, unless WMDs are used, and that will be disastrous for either side. This is a story of 2 ethnic groups who hate each other, killing each other in a bloody war of attrition. Any ground gained is almost instantly taken back. Another factor that is starting to play a major role in this war is a deadly new virus which was unleashed,
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
either by man or by nature. It affects the respiratory tract, and makes people feel weak, and sick, but not necessarily die. It has been causing havoc in Pakistani lines, but has yet to have a real negative impact on the Indian side.

Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
get your facts straight
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
We have not realesed any such virus
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
As it says it could have been created by nature as well
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
it may of done and we do not dispute that possibility. But I am telling you now, stop playing stupid games of footsies. If you want war you have it, if you dont want it, you wont. We do not use terrorism to achieve our aims, we do not genocide peoples. You have done both in the past and by all signs are doing so again
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
We have no desire to start a war
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
We propose the following
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
-You prevnt any of these other extremist acts from happening and we will do the same
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
We create a DMZ along the Pakistani border to prevent any of these skirmishes from takin gplace
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
I also want joint investigation in the last round of attacks.
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
Into the muslims attacks as well
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
I also want any Indian nuclear stockpile to be no larger than 25 nukes big.
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
of course, the muslim and the hindu attacks both
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
You will not dictate that to us
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
We will keep however large a stockpile we deem nessecary
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
If you do not treat us as equals then we shall not sign any peace
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
No
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
then we shall not sign a peace with a nation committed to the upkeep of such terrible weapons
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
No negortitaion on this matter
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
We keep however large a stockpile we wish for our defense
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
we are against them, we shall not use them or build them and thus any nation that does, does not get our oil or in your case you shall not get your peace
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
The world will now see that you are the agressor
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
ahhh rightio
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
whatever man I am just going to keep my troops on my side of the border. I do not hold myself responsible for all muslim actions just those of my government and my member states
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
Then regin in your member state
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
something you will need to learn before we can begin negotiations
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
I have done so, they are not involved in the attacks against you, in fact our intellegienc e believes the Indian government is engineerring the whole thing
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
Yes I'm sure
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
we are not completely without the required information but unlike you we shall keep our lips sealed about our methods
Cocaine - Have you had yours today? says:
brb
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
Dude whatever I do not negotiate on certain things and this is one of them
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
I will go back to how it was before but that is all
silver 2039-Dead tired says:
If you don't like that then you can go to hell
 
We then offered this reasonable treaty which was rejected by the UIS.

Treaty of Ahamabad

-A truce is signed
-Any forces in the terrtories of India and UIS are withdrawn from the respective sides
-The dead are sent back
-The governments of India and the UIS shall take all nessecary measures to prevent fanatical elemnts of their, military, government, and pouplation from carrying out attacks against each other
-A 10 year Non-Agression pact is signed
-A 10 km Demiltrized zone is establishe don both sides of the border
-India will declare that it shall never use Weapons of Mass Destruction in a first strike and they will only ever be used in self defense
-A full scale joint uinvestagtion by the governments of the UIS, India and any other neautral nations will investigate into matters leading up to this crisis
-The staus quo is returned to no disarmerment, territroy loss, or reparations

Even the other MUSLIM nations of the world recognize the treaty was reasonable

to the UIS

We would like to request that you accept the Truce proposed by India - as one Muslim brother to another. The government of India is probably not responsible for this, and we would like to request that you give them the benefit of the doubt.

Please accept this truce and Malaysia will willingly aid in investigating these matters.

Otherwise, I fear the worst for the world.

Yours truly,

Tun Hussein Onn,
Prime Minister of Malaysia.
 
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