Samhain - so unbelievably good?

yeah, Mokka doesn't do much, but when he does, it's bad. Really bad. I had have him attack me early once (Illians built Samhain from start) and he becomes a powerhouse after a few combats. Though he stopped short of taking my only city, he gained combat 5 and laid waste to the Hippus. I'm not going to complain about that one though :lol:

I've never really seen frostling archers attack, but those wolf riders are pesky, to say the least.
I think, the frostlings uselessness depends on who's the barbarians current target. I've often seen a civ wiped out after Samhain is completed, so it's far from useless though.

I've also noticed that all barbarians, not just frostings, occasionally just fortify on a tile indefinitely. Even if they could pillage or try to sack a city. Anyone else notice this? It usually seems to happen with goblins and archers.
 
Frosting Archers, like all Archers, have a defensive AI (UNITAI_CITY_DEFENSE and City UNITAI_CITY_DEFENSE), so it would be odd for them to go on a rampage attacking or pillaging. Goblins and normal frostlings have UNITAI_EXPLORE, UNITAI_ATTACK, and UNITAI_CITY_DEFENSE, but not UNITAI_CITY_ATTACK, so once they get close to a city the AI is unlikely to use them to attack anything in the city, only units that wander out. None of these units have UNITAI_CITY_PILLAGE, and the Goblins and normal frostlings don't have the ability to pillage ever. Frostling Wolf Riders have UNITAI_ATTACK and UNITAI_PILLAGE, so they do more.



I really think that Mokka's Cauldrom should be a piece of Equipment introduced into the game as a promotion Mokka has. Perhaps units killed by a unit with the promotion could be raised just like those killed near a city with the cauldron (as giving it the same ranged ability would probably be to processor intensive). Now that I think of it, normal FfH (unlike FF) doesn't let promotions have python post combat calls, just units. Maybe Mokka himself should raise units he defeats as Frostlings of the appropriate unitcombat.


I tend to think that there should be an Ice spell or Priest of Winter spell that lets you take control of Frostlings, but that their racial promotion should make them have a pretty good change to turn barbarian again. Spells to summon them could be nice too.
 
I really think that Mokka's Cauldrom should be a piece of Equipment introduced into the game as a promotion Mokka has. Perhaps units killed by a unit with the promotion could be raised just like those killed near a city with the cauldron (as giving it the same ranged ability would probably be to processor intensive). Now that I think of it, normal FfH (unlike FF) doesn't let promotions have python post combat calls, just units. Maybe Mokka himself should raise units he defeats as Frostlings of the appropriate unitcombat.

seconded. Give Mokka what's Mokka's :D
 
The real problem with Samhain is that the Illians AI wastes a huge amount of precious early-game time building it. Samhain should be reduced to one-quarter of the hammer cost and placed a little ways up the tech tree, maybe at Mysticism, so that the Illians can build it quickly without it ruining their early game but it doesn't happen so early that the Frostlings wipe out half of the civs on the map.
 
Samhain, Stasis, For the Horde and River of Blood all have one thing in common - they are all early game effects that are very powerful... with the RIGHT timing. You almost have to have a "feel" for it.

The AI builds it immediately, but that's not the optimal timing. The best time is when everyone's just settled their second expansion city, and are a little thin on warriors. That's also usually when barbarians start to really threaten cities. Always launch it with Stasis too.

Then, watch cities get taken by barbarians.
 
It's slightly off topic, but in my game earlier, I see a message from Auric complaining how his attempt to ascend to Godliness was short-lived. Opened my world builder and found, to my amusement, a Barb city horded with Frostling Archers. That'll teach him to build Samhain :mischief:
 

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