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SANCTA Embassy & Intelligence

Discussion in 'Team Kazakhstan' started by Kaleb, Feb 12, 2009.

  1. damnrunner

    damnrunner Emperor

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    Do we have a good estimate on how much Science Sancta is producing? Since they just teched RP, they should get Rifling really soon after we do – we might have 1 or 2 turns on them but that is about it. Once they can start drafting large numbers of rifles it will make our attack much more difficult. Still most of their large cities are pretty far away and it will take them a while to move drafted units to the front line.

    Does anyone want to game out Sancta’s optimum attack plan vs. our stack. It would be nice to know what the worst case scenario we could face is. I’ll try to work out something on this and will be factoring in a massive dose of luck on Sancta’s behalf as well.

    Also I noticed that sancta upgraded most of their knights with the withdrawal promotion. And after winning against Sancta’s muskets they added pinch promotions. The single withdrawal promotion seems an odd choice. Anyone have ideas what they are thinking?

    Lastly, there anything our spy can do to disrupt sancta? Right now we are doing some good exploration but what about covert ops (I think cutting some roads could be really helpful). Again I am not a BTS player so I have no concept of how the cost and risk here would work out.
     
  2. cav scout

    cav scout The Continuum

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    I just noticed that Memphus said he got replaceable part from a "solid trade" in the turn log thread?! I asked slaze about it and he has no idea...
     
  3. damnrunner

    damnrunner Emperor

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    Diplo screen should indicate if there was any under the table tech trading. I suspect it is just Sancta being sneeky.
     
  4. damnrunner

    damnrunner Emperor

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    How is this for declaration of war to post in the main forum. It also hints that we are going after Phoenix.


     
  5. cav scout

    cav scout The Continuum

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    I was thinking...perhaps this was the reason for the phony war? To create bad feelings on the diplo screen to conceal the trade. I'm probably just being paranoid, seems to be a Kazakh pastime.

    As far as the note, I like it! Did you want to post it in the forum if we do attack this turn?
     
  6. Jimmy369

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    From a flavour point of view, post it immediately after you play the turn. i may have to steal some of that phrasing when I get around to the historical events thread again, damnrunner. It certainly is intriguing.
     
  7. damnrunner

    damnrunner Emperor

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    Interestig thoughts on the phony war. Could it have been a means to close borders?
     
  8. cav scout

    cav scout The Continuum

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    Posted the DoW message in the turn discussion thread and sent this pm to memphus to hopefully get them to hesitate.

     
  9. damnrunner

    damnrunner Emperor

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    Nice touch.
     
  10. cav scout

    cav scout The Continuum

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    Got this back from memphus:

    What shall we say to string him along?
     
  11. damnrunner

    damnrunner Emperor

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    Allow us to raze Zero and Phonex.

    They attack Cav's stack. They gift TKY and DT - we follow up and kill Cav's stack.
     
  12. cav scout

    cav scout The Continuum

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    Chat with Memphus:

    Spoiler :
    Memphus says:
    So the cost Benefit is quite different
    Memphus says:
    Simming it out, all we can do now is choose who wins the game.
    Memphus says:
    your stack & reinforcements is stronger than Cav's
    Memphus says:
    if we attack you Cav runs through us and then easily win the game
    Memphus says:
    if we attack Cav you can run through us, but do you stop and hit cav ever?
    Jon says:
    well we could work with cav to wipe you off the map of course
    Memphus says:
    true
    Jon says:
    and then let figure out things with them after you are gone
    Memphus says:
    guarantted cav win.
    Memphus says:
    you could work with cav to still do that
    Memphus says:
    but if our units happen to only attack thier advancing stacks not yours....
    Memphus says:
    then you have many more troops in the long run for after the dust settles.
    Jon says:
    true
    Memphus says:
    I guess where I am going with this is your opening asked us to abadon zero and walk away.
    Memphus says:
    what if we do that?
    Jon says:
    well in our previous discussion tky was always the sticking point
    Memphus says:
    that it was, but that is currently our only way to hold back cav.
    Memphus says:
    (I have proposed TKY to the team as well)
    Jon says:
    well do you see any possibility of hold zero, tky, chai and zue cha against cav and us?
    Memphus says:
    yup
    Jon says:
    ah ok
    Memphus says:
    but for itnerest sake if we gifted you TKY or walked away from it and zero, where would that get us?
    Memphus says:
    you woudl still have all your troops and would jsut press us at that point no?
    Memphus says:
    btw if you had waited one more turn to declare....you coudl of easily walked through us
    Memphus says:
    i would of attacked one of the 2 cav stacks.
    Memphus says:
    and then all our units would have been damaged / dead.
    Memphus says:
    but now with 3 stacks I am not sure If attacking this turn (cav) is the way to go.
    Jon says:
    well how much do you think our combined forces could roll up cav?
    Memphus says:
    right to their capital
    Jon says:

    Memphus says:
    assumign neither of us built anymore troops.
    Memphus says:
    sancta has enough units this turn to wipe out 1 of the 2 cav stacks.
    Memphus says:
    your initial stack easily kills thier other one.
    Memphus says:
    meaning we are at about +10 rifles on them now. they also have minimal defences throughout thier empire.
    Jon says:
    well what would be the division of spoils?
    Memphus says:
    all of cavs land would be yours.
    Memphus says:
    every city.
    Jon says:
    so are we back to tky as the sticking point?
    Memphus says:
    is that the stiking point?
    Jon says:
    well i know you guys built globe there
    Memphus says:
    it can draft 1 unit every turn.
    Jon says:
    some on our team say you guys will never gift it now
    Memphus says:
    meh
    Memphus says:
    if we had a concrete deal that once you have TKY you go right for cav
    Memphus says:
    i can see it happening
    Jon says:
    well we'd need assurances that you'd go after them 100% alongside us
    Memphus says:
    might as well...we need to put a dent in them to re-balance the game
    Jon says:
    and that we could come out with a relative balance of power
    Jon says:
    swapping 2nd place from behind cav to behind you doesnt really change all that much for us
    Memphus says:
    with TKY and Zero you are 1st with your stack.
    Jon says:
    so getting cav's land would go a long way to evening things out
    Memphus says:
    take 4 of Cav's city's at their mouth and look out.
    Memphus says:
    Cav without you to tech and they start falling behind fast.
    Memphus says:
    back in 30 min work meeting.
    Jon says:
    k
     
  13. damnrunner

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    So they think they can kill either our stack or Cav's apparently? Lets press the point on that to see what they say. How they plan to kill either stack would be interesting. Could gain some intel on their strategy and units.

    I think our response is that TKY is a crucial if we backstab Cav. We can't have an empire split in the middle by TKY.

    Also Sancta does not face elimination if they lose the battle now. They have a lot of cities and while our combined army can probably win in the valley - pressing forward after that will be very hard.

    We may want to say something along these lines.
    If Cav starts winning and takes all the cities Cav could continue spamming units and could roll over Sancta - and then everyone else. But if we take the valley cities we are in a situation where we will need to consolidate power. Also if we did start to roll over Sancta, Cav could easily attack our flank to keep us in check.
     
  14. mikotian

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    I think our immediate goal is twofold:
    1) find out more about Sancta's strategy and tactics. That's a very good observation Cavscout
    2) Try to convince Sancta to attack Cav's stack, not ours! If they think that there's a chance that we can be allies, even a small chance, then the odds of preserving our stack goes much higher. We just have to string them along for 1-2 turns.
     
  15. cav scout

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    More from Memphus:

    Spoiler :
    Memphus says:
    so if we walk away from Zero this turn (aka an easy capture for you next turn, no troop loses)
    Memphus says:
    woudl you then write up something formal upon the surrend of TKY from us?
    Jon says:
    well you could gift us tky and that would stop cav cold in their tracks
    Memphus says:
    would it? then then jsut run on the roads right to our next city.
    Jon says:
    we close borders with them, push there stack on open ground
    Jon says:
    you attack it
    Memphus says:
    hmmmm
    Memphus says:
    now that is very interesting
    Jon says:
    gifting gives automatic culture for the small bfc right?
    Memphus says:
    not sure I will have to sim
    Memphus says:
    because we have culture from our other cities there too...
    Jon says:
    and we do open borders with you at the same time so you can attack before cav's turn
    Memphus says:
    but gifting i think removes our orinigal culture
    Jon says:
    well if they are on the hill right next to tky it would push them 1 west right?
    Memphus says:
    it should if the culture works.
    Jon says:
    they wouldnt have time to react because you could attack before their turn
    Jon says:
    cancels out the guerilla bonuses
    Memphus says:
    they only have 1 1 rifle with guerilla
    Memphus says:
    but stilll huge difference
    Jon says:
    ah they said they had a bunch
    Memphus says:
    not to mention the -25% for all the other units...
    Memphus says:
    they have 3 other geurilla 2's
    Memphus says:
    but that is in anotehr stack
    Memphus says:
    thier front stack is all outdated units
    Memphus says:
    AKA they are keeping thier new units until after we both bang up
    Memphus says:
    which includes 5 rifles, and 6 cannons.
    Jon says:
    ah ok
    Jon says:
    they want to preserve their combat power
    Memphus says:
    exactly
    Memphus says:
    my best guess (not knowing the dynamics which i can't wait to read)
    Memphus says:
    is they want us to attack you first, you win zero TKY
    Memphus says:
    they keep all their units.
    Jon says:
    well they wanted us to fight you at zero
    Memphus says:
    well you can still keep that promise and capture zero...walk right in.
    Jon says:
    make it look like you are just retreating to face them
    Memphus says:
    FYI the reason i am slighly hesistant on TKY this turn, is we get 2 more riles (1 built, and 1 drafted) if we wait until next turn.
    Memphus says:
    that is currently how i am leaning
    Memphus says:
    we stay at war this turn
    Memphus says:
    you walk in at zero
    Memphus says:
    we kill their first stack.
    Memphus says:
    they advance their second
    Memphus says:
    we gift TKY afterwards
    Jon says:
    well we could time it so our stack gets there
    Memphus says:
    and then they have now taken a hit in power
    Jon says:
    peace and open border at the same time?
    Jon says:
    does that work to avoid pushing a stack back?
    Memphus says:
    as in our stack?
    Memphus says:
    yes our units would stay put
    Memphus says:
    so the timeline to me is:
    Memphus says:
    1. you capture zero get the gold next turn
    Jon says:
    our stack i mean
    Jon says:
    so we could dow cav and hit them right after yours
    Memphus says:
    you stack will stay
    Memphus says:
    2. we kill cav stack 1
    Memphus says:
    3. we gift TKY, go to peace OB
    Memphus says:
    4. we hit stack #2
    Memphus says:
    5. you hit stack #2.
    Memphus says:
    6. cav has nothing left.
    Jon says:
    we could roll them up fast after that
    Memphus says:
    ok so that will be my move this turn then for good faith
    Memphus says:
    i will walk away from zero (and rename it)
    Jon says:
    well i need to get my team 100% on board
    Jon says:
    we'd need assurances
    Jon says:
    full tech cooperation
    Jon says:
    stuff like that
    Memphus says:
    walking away from a city is a good start
    Memphus says:
    oh for sure
    Memphus says:
    lib can come in the peace deal
    Jon says:
    well you guys were going to evacuate anyways
    Memphus says:
    not for sure.
    Memphus says:
    i could upgrade the LB
    Memphus says:
    move in 4 rifles
    Memphus says:
    and try to make a stand
    Jon says:
    well thats what we assumed anyways since tky w/ globe is worth defending
    Memphus says:
    true
    Jon says:
    we attacked because we figured now was when we had leverage
    Memphus says:
    you certainly do!
    Memphus says:
    that is why my openign was:
    Memphus says:
    we can hold both
    Memphus says:
    but we can swing the game one way or the other.
    Memphus says:
    TBH I woudl rather you guys beat cav and us come 2nd
    Memphus says:
    than to see cav win
    Memphus says:
    them getting MS on one side wasn't so fair (kinda liek us with saturn)
    Jon says:
    we still have a strong pro cav faction
    Jon says:
    based on other game relationships it seems
    Memphus says:
    haha good to knwo you still have participation.
    Memphus says:
    the game speed picked up and everyoen at sancta who complained all game were then too busy
    Jon says:
    people coming back now?
    Jon says:
    nothing like war to stir up a little interest
    Memphus says:
    no
    Memphus says:
    they see it as this was planned sicne the game started
    Memphus says:
    and most want me to jsut bash into you and gift our 4 front cities to cav.
    Memphus says:
    i however do not like rolling over
    Jon says:
    haha
    Jon says:
    well that would be surrendering basically
    Memphus says:
    i was also tempted to gift TKY to MS at somepoint...
    Memphus says:
    but they woudl decline.
    Jon says:
    they are aloof
    Memphus says:
    this is why i kinda want to see you guys win now.
    Memphus says:
    you stack (and reinforcements) show me your team grew leaps and bounds from the last attack
    Memphus says:
    meanign you came with everythign at once and were really ready.
    Memphus says:
    you could of declared when cav but didn't instead you waited.
    Memphus says:
    cav's have been favorites all game, so being kingmaker to you would be alot more fun!
    Jon says:
    well they have treated us as less that equals
    Jon says:
    so we are ready for a game change
    Memphus says:
    alright well the game is down, so how about we both post this.
    Jon says:
    k
    Memphus says:
    i will fidn away to convince sancta to walk away from TKY.
    Jon says:
    cool
    Jon says:
    have a good one
    Memphus says:
    you too!
     
  16. damnrunner

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    Good info. But I can't help but assume they are lying through their teeth. If we do get TKY the city will remain very vulnerable to a Santca back stab - especially if we do end up at war with Team Cav.

    A much more defensible situation would be to have TKY and Dragon Tears. Also does the valley extending north from TKY link up with the rest of Santca's land - or is it another cull-de-sac? I can't tell from past screen shots. Does anyone have intel on this?

    However, it looks like we get Zero either way as Sancta is leaning towards abandoning the city. So we can continue to evaluate the situation into the next turn. That is when things get really interesting.
     
  17. cav scout

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    Yeah i don't trust SANCTA in the slightest. The fact they are trying to work us became really obvious towards the end of the conversation. As long as we continue to appear naive they will continue to underestimate us and think they can manipulate us though. I think we should come back with demands they wont agree to but still leave the door open for us to flip in the future. We don't want to close the door completely in case CAV betrays us as far as city gifting etc. The one thing I was troubled by was Memphus saying they will evacuate Zero as a good faith gesture. He basically admitted they were going to evacuate anyways so he is trying to pin us with an obligation to follow through on flipping.

    Oh and the valley north of TKY leads to Saturn lands.
     
  18. damnrunner

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    We have agreed to nothing so far if they do pull out. I agree that the dumber we seem the better.
     
  19. cav scout

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    More with Memphus, a treasure trove of info:

    Spoiler :
    Memphus says:
    quick update
    Memphus says:
    i am close
    Memphus says:
    they team wants to draft it down to size 6
    Memphus says:
    and then gift it to you.
    Memphus says:
    so that is the exact amount of time it needs for you to advance there.
    Memphus says:
    they are ok with you taking zero this turn.
    Memphus says:
    staying at war but we will only hit cav.
    Memphus says:
    we then flip the city
    Memphus says:
    i also simmed it out.
    Memphus says:
    all our our culture on a gift is gone
    Memphus says:
    if you take it by force our culture stays
    Memphus says:
    you get in inner cross, and then have to build your own culture.
    Jon says:
    ok cool, so tky in like 4 turns?
    Memphus says:
    yup maximum
    Memphus says:
    probably more like 3.
    Memphus says:
    in time to catch Cav really off guard.
    Memphus says:
    We can also beeline MT (we have to anyways, we have alot of knights) for tech trading.
    Jon says:
    we will get it in 3
    Jon says:
    if we go back to 100%
    Memphus says:
    we get it in 3 at 70%.
    Memphus says:
    2 at 100%, but we dont have the gold for that.
    Jon says:
    cool
    Jon says:
    do you have alot of beakers in it already?
    Memphus says:
    we can't research further techs though (like you)
    Memphus says:
    no none
    Memphus says:
    we can generate ~1500 beakers a turn at 100%
    Jon says:
    were about a 1/3 done
    Memphus says:
    oh shoot
    Memphus says:
    but any other tech we coudl go for isn't available.
    Memphus says:
    unless we jsut save gold to upgrade our knights to hit cav with?
    Memphus says:
    or we coudl go corperation / democracy and go emancipation to mess with Cav, we coudl have it before the end of your GA
    Jon says:
    well emancipation would jack them up for sure
    Memphus says:
    by corperation i meant constitution
    Jon says:
    but would only go that route if we could afford to militarily
    Jon says:
    sure that we would destroy their stacks
    Memphus says:
    well constitution is needed for corperation for Assy line...
    Memphus says:
    but i think we want to keep redcoats in play as long as possible
    Memphus says:
    not to mention that infantry are 2 pop whips.
    Jon says:
    drafts you mean?
    Memphus says:
    yes sorry.
    Memphus says:
    so is your team close to on board?
    Jon says:
    well everyone to differing degrees
    Memphus says:
    i have one naysayer...
    Jon says:
    some key people havent said anything at all yet
    Jon says:
    but we operate under silence is consent
    Memphus says:
    he thinks if we gift TKY, we will go to peace with you for 10 turns, but you will let cav through.
    Jon says:
    the big hangup on our end is people want more than just zero and tky
    Memphus says:
    i can understand that.
    Memphus says:
    but zero and TKY with no fight is also good.
    Memphus says:
    and TKY as a gift = culutre auto gone
    Jon says:
    yeah, for me the big thing is the paradigm shift in the alliance dynamics
    Jon says:
    but with our current leverage chai, zue cha, dragon tears and phoenix have all entered the discussion
    Jon says:
    and some people doubt you would go after CAV after we flip and just make us fight it out
    Memphus says:
    we have every reason to go after cav.
    Memphus says:
    with Astro (which would come from the tech alliance)
    Memphus says:
    we would load up rifles drafted i nthe east and use our UU to burn all thier coastal cities, or capture them and gift to you as you determined.
    Memphus says:
    ask G_W
    Memphus says:
    i became his vassal in an PBEM
    Memphus says:
    what I commit to will be done, if it make your team feel more at ease, let me know a number of cities to caputre (of cav) or # of troops to send.
    Memphus says:
    my thinking is we match you troop for troop
    Memphus says:
    so I need 5 turns (well and steel) to catch up
    Jon says:
    would be sweet to upgrade all your mounted units and get into their rear areas
    Memphus says:
    We also have knights in the East that can jump on EIM, or upgrade first) and with circumnav hit their coast fast, with the 3 frigates of yours I have seen that would be enough cover so we wouldn't have to wait building those, feasibly we coudl hit thier east coast in 5 turns.
    Jon says:
    if we hit them quickly they will have a hard time recovering
    Jon says:
    well anyways i need to get goin
    Jon says:
    but i will post and see what everyone says
    Memphus says:
    ok cool!
    Memphus says:
    one more alternative
    Memphus says:
    if you want the culture to go away from zero as well we coudl gift that
    Memphus says:
    at the same time as TKY
    Memphus says:
    but you already have culture in the area, so shouldn't be a big deal, not to mention you will get gold.
    Memphus says:
    actually n/m
    Memphus says:
    gold is better for you i would think.
    Jon says:
    well then cav would know something was up to
    Memphus says:
    and cav would raise thier eyebrow if they didn't see zero fall
    Memphus says:
    yup exactly
    Memphus says:
    haha you coudl even tell them you took heavy losses
    Jon says:
    our stack needs to come to tky to "help" lol
    Memphus says:
    well it will
    Memphus says:
    I envision 1 unit going to zero
    Memphus says:
    and the rest moving W NW, the road shoudl flip to you
    Memphus says:
    if you get a screenshot and need a road somewhere too, let me know i can build it next turn, i have workers comming in.
    Jon says:
    ok
    Jon says:
    i brought some workers too
    Memphus says:
    so did cav
    Memphus says:
    but they will lose thier this turn
    Memphus says:
    FYI i simmed it out. if we hit your first stack we have a 3% chance of killing it
    Memphus says:
    those odds suck
    Jon says:
    well we figured as much
    Jon says:
    we were going to send a split stack again lol
    Jon says:
    werent
    Memphus says:
    if it was 25-50% i may have taken it
    Jon says:
    yeah especially with your rng luck lol
    Memphus says:
    if you had 2 less units in the stack our odds apprach 30%
    Memphus says:
    you have exactly the right amount of units.
    Memphus says:
    hence why i want to see you guys pull ahead, as a tea myou learned.
    Memphus says:
    sancta didn't
    Memphus says:
    they wanted more infrastruce, so i listen
    Memphus says:
    so now a whole bunch of team members need to see what happens.
    Memphus says:
    but matial law has now been delcared
    Memphus says:
    which is why if I commit to something in this window, i won't ruin my civ rep on it, so we will follow through.
    Jon says:
    well thats another thing
    Jon says:
    balance of power
    Jon says:
    regarding all your infastructure
    Jon says:
    you guys could win space down the road
    Memphus says:
    if the game gets that far
    Jon says:
    some people are wondering how the end game plays out if we ally with you guys
    Memphus says:
    after cav, domination limits approach
    Jon says:
    one idea is we agree to settle it with space
    Jon says:
    after reaching a sort of balance of power after taking cav down
    Memphus says:
    that could be cool.
    Memphus says:
    if you want an infra update:
    Memphus says:
    we have only science buildings
    Memphus says:
    no cash
    Memphus says:
    so if saturn cuts off the cash we stop researching
    Jon says:
    your gnp is looking really good
    Memphus says:
    GA, and we are researchign a tech 3 people have
    Memphus says:
    artificially inflated
    Memphus says:
    also we are cultural
    Memphus says:
    but yeah if we ever got some $$ buildings.
    Memphus says:
    TBH I would be happy to settle on sapce, but i think you guys can win domination.
    Memphus says:
    after Cav Ms is a joke.
    Memphus says:
    same with saturn.
    Memphus says:
    and both of their lands open up...
    Memphus says:
    Saturn might even hit cav's back door really messing with the game.
    Jon says:
    yeah their civics would indicate war plans
    Memphus says:
    TBH our team didn;t listen to krill and I
    Memphus says:
    they though cav was going to wipe our saturn
    Memphus says:
    cut off our $$
    Memphus says:
    then we wouldn't be able to keep up
    Memphus says:
    so saturn went into a defensive sheel
    Memphus says:
    but now they are draftign rifles,
    Memphus says:
    so unless cav has another stack at thier back door...
    Memphus says:
    but that would mean 3 giant stacks.
    Jon says:
    well how does saturn fit into the whole equation?
    Jon says:
    if they go in im sure they want the spoils of what they take
    Memphus says:
    realistically considering we had to MM some of thier cities...they won't get too far
    Memphus says:
    but what they will do if force cav to not funnel units from thier back end to thier core
    Memphus says:
    Saturn basically will head advice from us
    Jon says:
    cav is going to experience some system shock
    Memphus says:
    so if we say we need them to attack cav they will
    Memphus says:
    if we tell to raze the first city then pull back, they will.
    Memphus says:
    basically saturn jsut became your vassal's vassal
    Jon says:
    well do you have an agreement with them?
    Jon says:
    or do they need a seat at the table too?
    Memphus says:
    we do...but it is really old, hold on i can dig it up
    Memphus says:
    they are like MS though
    Memphus says:
    aloof
    Memphus says:
    tough to get a hold of.
    Jon says:
    probably low participation
    Memphus says:
    so a seat would be pushing it, they will miss everything
    Jon says:
    well if they have freedom of action i'd rather engage them in some sort of discussion vs just waiting to see what they do
    Memphus says:
    found it
    Memphus says:
    Article 1: Non-Aggression
    It is hereby agreed that we will not attack each other or provide aid, in any form, to anyone fighting any member of the alliance.
    Memphus says:
    It is hereby agreed that we will cooperate on technology in a generous fashion with eachother.
    It is hereby agreed that we will pursue rapid technological advance in good faith – and not attempt to abuse the alliance.
    (ie - No member of the Alliance shall stockpile gold at a rate greater than is reasonably necessary for general strategic concerns.)
    It is hereby agreed that we will openly and for
    Memphus says:
    forthrightly share research plans to avoid any duplication of effort and ensure rapid progress.
    It is hereby agreed that all technology shall be shared openly, upon request, without regard to beaker value, with eachother.
    Memphus says:
    It is hereby agreed that if either member of the alliance comes under direct military attack by an enemy power and the other alliance member is NOT under direct (or imminently direct) attack the Alliance member who is not under attack will provide:
    150 hammers worth of military aid as soon as possible.
    10 hammers per turn* (accruing each turn till balance is paid off by delivery of a military uni
    Memphus says:
    ...basically that is how we can get saturn to attack or not attack cav.
    Memphus says:
    G_W didn't post it as a file
    Jon says:
    so will they gift rifles to you?
    Jon says:
    or the hammers get credited when they attack in support
    Memphus says:
    yeah it is faster for them to attack so that is how the credit works.
    Memphus says:
    so that is what i was saying you guys coudl write up for us attacking cav
    Memphus says:
    that way it is really easy to follow.
    Memphus says:
    if Saturn could get troops to TKY faster (it would take them 30 turns) then we might have taken the gift....
    Jon says:
    yeah that makes sense
    Memphus says:
    so it is up to you (kaz) if you want saturn to have a seat.
    Memphus says:
    but realistically i see it liek this
    Memphus says:
    we (sancta) tell saturn we made consessions with kaz to shift the game
    Memphus says:
    and that they need to stay tuned
    Memphus says:
    so my next question would be
    Memphus says:
    they give us all theri gold every turn
    Memphus says:
    that in turn lets us research
    Memphus says:
    if we are sharign techs, can we gift only what we discover to them? or can everything funnel to them?
    Memphus says:
    fyi they are still fighting off barbs....
    Jon says:
    i hope they dont loose another city!
    Memphus says:
    haha yeah we had to scout and fog bust for them.
    Memphus says:
    but i know the bad blood you guys had with them
    Jon says:
    if they cant handle barbs with the draft...
    Jon says:
    this will get a good laugh in my forum
    Jon says:
    "thats why they changed civics!"
    Memphus says:
    it was one of the reasons...
    Memphus says:

    Memphus says:
    to draft muskets to defend thier outer cities
    Jon says:
    wow, well i guess they will remember fog busting for the next mtdg
    Memphus says:
    haha they need more than that...
    Memphus says:
    ok i gotta run
    Jon says:
    me too
    Jon says:
    talk to you later
    Memphus says:
    later


    Memphus seems to be enthused about us flipping. I have to admit it is an intriguing prospect.
     
  20. damnrunner

    damnrunner Emperor

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    It is. What may be most fun is to back stab them both and kill both sancta's and Cav's stacks!

    Imagine all the GGs we would generate!

    Then they ally up vs. us and we die. Sweet!
     

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