Science bug?

[Hieronimous Bosch]

Ok, probably the problem is with acoustic???? I' dont know, so, I changed my research to economics, with full tech to be researched, and when 1 science agreement is complete, it helps me with some turns of research but, after 5 turns another science agreement is finished, and bam, it researched automatically acoustic (I've never selected that path) and those are my accumulated points...

...aaaaaand this is the turn after

 

[Hieronimous Bosch]

Ok, I tried another strategy: I switch tech to be research the turn prior a science agreement was fulfilled and this seems to resolve the bug, so I guess problem is research agreement with tech in the renassaince mod? This because in this game those aren't the first science agreement I was in.... so, maybe?

EDIT: it seems that the problem is not linked with the agreements but with the completion of the research of every tech in the renassaince...

 

[L. Vern]

@L. Vern can you check AI games to see if this ever happened (would it have been obvious)? I notice

The easiest and most obvious check I can think of would be to check the "how many turns to research a tech" metric for each of the tech columns for the symptom, which would manifest as a disproportionate number of 1-turn technology completions.

Spoiler histograms :

Nothing really stands out in terms of 1-turn completions so probably not a bug in vase VP (though it might be a bug with research agreements, the AI test games run without those enabled)

 

[Solic]

I also play games exclusively without research agreements, so they might be bugged, but that wouldn't be the only bug.

 

[Hieronimous Bosch]

Ok so something overflows the research one-off perhaps and then it is messed up forever.
@Hieronimous Bosch did you try set it to zero with the firetuner like Vern suggested? Did that fix it, or did it just come back?

Tuning with firetuner seems to resolve the problem I'm so happy, I just change the accumulated science points after the bug with 0 and everything is fine now, wow

 

[hokath]

Nice. I found the bug but nuking it with the firetuner is not working -- I set to 0 the research progress of some 5000 percent (lol) and I just get the microsoft error noise :'(

 

[Hieronimous Bosch]

Ok, problem still stands.Yeah.
Anybody can tell me how to edit research agreement via live tuner? I've searched around but for the life of me I can't understand anything about this software.
I just want to eliminate every research agreement my civilization has active.
Next game I will flag "no research agreement" but it sucks, cause it's so useful...

 

[hokath]

I don't have research agreements on so it's not just that.
But perhaps they also cause it in addition to whatever I have.
Instant boosts of science in general overcapping and then for whatever reason it isn't immediately granting the tech. Some check is missing.

 

[ellamvik]

Do I get it right that it only happens with the enlightenment era mod?
I also ran into this. Started in the beginning of the enlightenment era, most civs were affected including me. Setting the accumulated science to 0 using firetuner helped for 1 AI civ but not me or others. Running VP 4.22, research agreements active.

 

[Hieronimous Bosch]

Do I get it right that it only happens with the enlightenment era mod?
I also ran into this. Started in the beginning of the enlightenment era, most civs were affected including me. Setting the accumulated science to 0 using firetuner helped for 1 AI civ but not me or others. Running VP 4.22, research agreements active.

I don't know if this is the case, I'm playing with this mod and the bug seems to start in this era, but know I'm after that and the bug still stands, in my case the problem is research agreements. The only way around this for me is changing research the turn prior the research agreement finishes, and then switch back to my research

 

[hokath]

Do I get it right that it only happens with the enlightenment era mod?

No it also seems to happen without, but the Enlightenment Era mod seems to make it happen more often.

 

[hokath]

See here for hopefully the fix

Science bug? Overflow accumulated science · Issue #11809 · LoneGazebo/Community-Patch-DLL

Hi there, attached here is a savegame during the turn prior my accumulated science points stops to be expendend after a tech is being researched to completion but they increase every turn, giving m...

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you drop the .dll into your (1) Community Patch folder to replace the one that is there atm

 

[ellamvik]

Seems the science bug is not completely gone. I was able to create a temporary all 1 turn situation using 6 great scientists.

The reason I did the testing was that AI Korea suddenly researched 5 techs in 3 turns in a game without research agreements (or enlightenment era).

My test game, manipulated with IGE, no Firetuner.
VP 4.22, CvGameCore_Expansion2.dll fix applied, 4 unique components, IGE, really advanced setup, no other mods.
Start in industrial era. Korea, 1 city, science output 641. Has all sci buildings and sci wonders up to public school, 22 academy improvements.

All this within the same turn:
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Sci tree: Rifling 2 turns, archeology etc 2nd tier industry techs 3 turns.
Expend 1 g scientist.
Sci tree: Rifling 1 turn, 2nd tier industry techs 3 turns.
Expend 1 g scientist.
Sci tree: Rifling researched, 2nd tier industry techs 3 turns.
Don't choose a tech to research.
Expend 1 g scientist.
Sci tree: Archeology etc 2nd tier industry techs 2 turns.
Expend 1 g scientist.
Sci tree: Archeology etc 2nd tier industry techs 1 turn, biology etc 2 turns.
Expend 1 g scientist.
Sci tree: Everything up to information era 1 turn, inf era techs 2 turns.
Expend 1 g scientist.
Sci tree: All techs 1 turn, the cumulative numbers are weird:
arch 1, fert 1(-8), indust 1(-6), dyna 1(-3), milit sci 1(-1), bio 1(3), elect 1(7), corp 1(11), repl-par 1(15), comb 1(19), etc. For 10 techs listed here, all 1 turn, the cumulative prediction is 19 turns.
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From here I tried 2 different paths.

Path 1. Just keep clicking "next turn". 7 techs researched in 1 turn each. Now sci output is 797, corporations shows 2 turns to research and actually takes 2 turns. Research times show as follows: modern tier1 3 turns, modern t2 4, atomic t1 5, atomic t2 6, info t1 7, info t2 9, info t3 9, future 11.

Path 2. (Load the save where all techs were 1 turn). Delete all sci buildings and wonders, delete all tile improvements, reduce population. Science output falls from 641 to 64. 5 techs researched in 1 turn each. Now sci output is 83, biology shows 16 turns to research and actually takes >2 (didn't test whole 16). Research times show as follows: modern tier1 31 turns, modern t2 42, atomic t1 50, atomic t2 61, info t1 73, info t2 90, info t3 93, future 109.