SolarKnight
Guardian of the Balance
Maybe to observe his creation and make sure he liked what he saw?? 
Scientific Credibility of the Bible (Dont laugh!)
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Margim
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Again, I think the question is a theological one, rather than practical. (although that's just my own opinion). Don't feel I'm being agressive here, I'm not.
But I am more than happy to attempt to explain this on a thread where I am not deviating off topic, if you wish. 
Lord Draegon
Awoken
I believe most of the history in the bible is accurate.
Sure Moses did not create giant walls of water, but he did find a passage across the red sea.
Now the People of Judah recognized the Egyptians did not follow them across. So they assumed it was because they were not able to -- the sea did not open for them. I believe they were just not that desperate to get the runaways back.
Of course all the geologies of the Kings are accurate (As we have no contrary data).
And by the way Christ did come, be he man or god.
The star of Bethlehem was observed by the Chinese to be a supernova. (Of course they did not use that term back then, or even understand why stars explode)
Note:the Chinese star was abserved on 6 AD, but that is due to the inaccuracy of mideaval cronologists in calculating the year of the birth of christ.
Sure Moses did not create giant walls of water, but he did find a passage across the red sea.
Now the People of Judah recognized the Egyptians did not follow them across. So they assumed it was because they were not able to -- the sea did not open for them. I believe they were just not that desperate to get the runaways back.
Of course all the geologies of the Kings are accurate (As we have no contrary data).
And by the way Christ did come, be he man or god.
The star of Bethlehem was observed by the Chinese to be a supernova. (Of course they did not use that term back then, or even understand why stars explode)
Note:the Chinese star was abserved on 6 AD, but that is due to the inaccuracy of mideaval cronologists in calculating the year of the birth of christ.
Margim
Footy's back.
The problem is that there is no historical evidence to proove Moses existed. If we are using the bible as scientific evidence, Moses and the exodus would be archaeologically proovable. But the evidence suggests that Israelites were culturally native to Canaan.
SolarKnight
Guardian of the Balance
I heard the star of bethlehem could have been a rare sighting of jupiter and saturn at their closest to the earth.
Free Enterprise
The return stroke.
It interesting that in the book of Revelation there is a description of a star falling to the earth and as a result a large amount of the water becomes undrinkable. The description is similar to that of a launched nuclear weapon. The name of the star is translated as Chernobyl in Russian.
Margim
Footy's back.
The main problem being that Revelations was written in Greek, and Chernobyl itself didn't fall out of the sky.
Pontiuth Pilate
Republican Jesus!
Well, there are myriad scientific INaccuracies in the Bible. A quick roundup of all those I can easily remember:
-Genesis says that plants were created before the sun.
-Genesis says that birds came before land animals.
-Isiah 40:22 says that the Earth is round [often cited by "scientific Christians"] but 11:12 of the same book states it is flat. A clear contradiction, and both passages are floridly poetic - either could be metaphoric. Which is right?
-Genesis 30:37-39 is a profound misunderstanding of genetics. By putting spotted bark before pregnant lambs, Jacob "succeeded" in making them give birth to multicolored young. Yeah right
-Leviticus 11:20 says that insects have four feet. Actually, most of us know they have six.
-Proverbs 6:6 says of the ant: Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise: Which having no guide, overseer, or ruler, Provideth her meat in the summer, [and] gathereth her food in the harvest. Again, a clear misunderstanding.
I also once posted a list of "interesting" Biblical laws which may reveal something about the social as well as scientific basis for the Bible. Here's a repost:
On Homosexuality
Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.
On Adultery
Leviticus 18:20
Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her.
On Menstruation
Leviticus 15:19
And if a woman have an issue [note: menses], [and] her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even.
And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean.
And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even.
And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even.
And if it [be] on [her] bed, or on any thing whereon she sitteth, when he toucheth it, he shall be unclean until the even.
And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean.
On Slavery
Leviticus 25:44
Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, [shall be] of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that [are] with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
Working on Sundays
Exodus 35:2
Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.
On Shellfish
Leviticus 11:10
And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which [is] in the waters, they [shall be] an abomination unto you:
They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
On Haircuts
Leviticus 19:27
Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.
On Tattoos
Leviticus 19:28
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I [am] the LORD.
On Football
Leviticus 11:7
And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he [is] unclean to you.
Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they [are] unclean to you.
On Crop Rotation and Polyester Clothing
Leviticus 19:19
Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.
On The Correct Punishment For Blasphemy
Leviticus 24:16
And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, [and] all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name [of the LORD], shall be put to death.
Ditto For Incest
Leviticus 20:14
And if a man take a wife and her mother, it [is] wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.
On Divorce
Leviticus 21:7
They shall not take a wife [that is] a whore, or profane; neither shall they take a woman put away from her husband: for he [is] holy unto his God.
The Right Punishment For Infidelity
Leviticus 20:10
And the man that committeth adultery with [another] man's wife, [even he] that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
On Joan Quigley (And God-Fearing Ronnie Raygun)
Leviticus 19:31
Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I [am] the LORD your God.
On Child Rearing
Leviticus 20:9
For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood [shall be] upon him.
On Good Diet - What To Eat, What To Avoid
Leviticus 11:13
And these [are they which] ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they [are] an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
Leviticus 11:22
[Even] these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
On Insect Phylogeny
Leviticus 11:21
Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon [all] four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
On The Prerequisites For Being A Good Priest
Leviticus 21:5
They shall not make baldness upon their head, neither shall they shave off the corner of their beard, nor make any cuttings in their flesh.
Leviticus 21:9
And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.
Leviticus 21:17
Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever [he be] of thy seed in their generations that hath [any] blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.
For whatsoever man [he be] that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,
Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,
Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones [note: testicles] broken;
On Cross Dressing
Deuteronomy 22:5
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so [are] abomination unto the LORD thy God.
On The Importance of Female Virginity
Deuteronomy 22:13
If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,
And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:
Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth [the tokens of] the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:
And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;
And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech [against her], saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these [are the tokens of] my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.
And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;
And they shall amerce him in an hundred [shekels] of silver, and give [them] unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.
But if this thing be true, [and the tokens of] virginity be not found for the damsel:
Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.
On The Bold Intrusion Of Females Into The Private Affairs Of Men, Literally
Deuteronomy 25:11
When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets:
Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity [her].
-Genesis says that plants were created before the sun.
-Genesis says that birds came before land animals.
-Isiah 40:22 says that the Earth is round [often cited by "scientific Christians"] but 11:12 of the same book states it is flat. A clear contradiction, and both passages are floridly poetic - either could be metaphoric. Which is right?
-Genesis 30:37-39 is a profound misunderstanding of genetics. By putting spotted bark before pregnant lambs, Jacob "succeeded" in making them give birth to multicolored young. Yeah right
-Leviticus 11:20 says that insects have four feet. Actually, most of us know they have six.
-Proverbs 6:6 says of the ant: Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise: Which having no guide, overseer, or ruler, Provideth her meat in the summer, [and] gathereth her food in the harvest. Again, a clear misunderstanding.
I also once posted a list of "interesting" Biblical laws which may reveal something about the social as well as scientific basis for the Bible. Here's a repost:
On Homosexuality
Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.
On Adultery
Leviticus 18:20
Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her.
On Menstruation
Leviticus 15:19
And if a woman have an issue [note: menses], [and] her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even.
And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean.
And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even.
And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even.
And if it [be] on [her] bed, or on any thing whereon she sitteth, when he toucheth it, he shall be unclean until the even.
And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean.
On Slavery
Leviticus 25:44
Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, [shall be] of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that [are] with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
Working on Sundays
Exodus 35:2
Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.
On Shellfish
Leviticus 11:10
And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which [is] in the waters, they [shall be] an abomination unto you:
They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
On Haircuts
Leviticus 19:27
Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.
On Tattoos
Leviticus 19:28
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I [am] the LORD.
On Football
Leviticus 11:7
And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he [is] unclean to you.
Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they [are] unclean to you.
On Crop Rotation and Polyester Clothing
Leviticus 19:19
Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.
On The Correct Punishment For Blasphemy
Leviticus 24:16
And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, [and] all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name [of the LORD], shall be put to death.
Ditto For Incest
Leviticus 20:14
And if a man take a wife and her mother, it [is] wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.
On Divorce
Leviticus 21:7
They shall not take a wife [that is] a whore, or profane; neither shall they take a woman put away from her husband: for he [is] holy unto his God.
The Right Punishment For Infidelity
Leviticus 20:10
And the man that committeth adultery with [another] man's wife, [even he] that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
On Joan Quigley (And God-Fearing Ronnie Raygun)
Leviticus 19:31
Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I [am] the LORD your God.
On Child Rearing
Leviticus 20:9
For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood [shall be] upon him.
On Good Diet - What To Eat, What To Avoid
Leviticus 11:13
And these [are they which] ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they [are] an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
Leviticus 11:22
[Even] these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
On Insect Phylogeny
Leviticus 11:21
Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon [all] four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
On The Prerequisites For Being A Good Priest
Leviticus 21:5
They shall not make baldness upon their head, neither shall they shave off the corner of their beard, nor make any cuttings in their flesh.
Leviticus 21:9
And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.
Leviticus 21:17
Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever [he be] of thy seed in their generations that hath [any] blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.
For whatsoever man [he be] that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,
Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,
Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones [note: testicles] broken;
On Cross Dressing
Deuteronomy 22:5
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so [are] abomination unto the LORD thy God.
On The Importance of Female Virginity
Deuteronomy 22:13
If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,
And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:
Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth [the tokens of] the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:
And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;
And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech [against her], saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these [are the tokens of] my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.
And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;
And they shall amerce him in an hundred [shekels] of silver, and give [them] unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.
But if this thing be true, [and the tokens of] virginity be not found for the damsel:
Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.
On The Bold Intrusion Of Females Into The Private Affairs Of Men, Literally
Deuteronomy 25:11
When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets:
Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity [her].
Voynich
Letter of Napoleon
The passage may have been symbolic though. Chernobyl was the site of a nuclear disaster, thus it may the actual meaning may be associated with a nuclear object.
Margim
Footy's back.
Or we may actually be completely discrediting the spirit in which Revelations was written - an attempted encouragement to seven suffering churches in Asia Minor (modern Turkey) written by an elder of the early church in the apocalyptic genre of litereature.
LesCanadiens
Deity
That's not what it says at all.
The bible isn't supposed to be scientific fact. It's supposed to be the chronicle of how God created the Earth and everything on it, and sent his one and only son to die for our sins, and a guideline on how Christians should lead their lives. It is not a scientific source, and was never intended to be.
HighlandWarrior
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Why couldn't Satan, being the most high angel and God in man form see all the kingdoms of the world? If he can create the universe he probaby doesnt need to get on top of a mountian to see the tiny earth.
Free Enterprise
The return stroke.
If I recall properly, the word in Greek that is often translated as Chernobyl in Russian refers to a particular plant. The Russian Chernobyl also refers to this plant entity I think.
Margim
Footy's back.
Regardless, I think its dangerous territory to say that we have found the meaning of a poetic script in modern events based on some abstract connection, and then say that it is scientific evidence.
Pontiuth Pilate
Republican Jesus!
Yes, they both translate into English as "wormwood". But that's beside the point. This "interpretation" stuff is as much BS as Nostradamus.
I found an excellent site once. There was a conspiracy theorist wacko [Michael Drosnin] who came up with something called the Bible Code. Essentially he shuffled all the letters in the Bible into a 30x30 or so matrix for each page. Then, as in a crossword puzzle, he claimed to find information that was remarkably prophetic:
There is no way to ignore the clear fact that a computerized code in the Bible . . . accurately predicted the Gulf War, the collision of a comet with Jupiter, and the assassination of [Israeli Prime Minister] Rabin, also seems to state that the Apocalypse starts now, that within a decade, we may face the real Armageddon, a nuclear World War.
There was a gigantic commotion about this... until a guy working with a slightly inferior computer found the same kind of stuff in Moby Dick!
Just one example: a "divine" "prophecy" from Our Lord Herman Melville dealing with the death of Robert Kennedy at the hands of Sirhan Sirhan:
I found an excellent site once. There was a conspiracy theorist wacko [Michael Drosnin] who came up with something called the Bible Code. Essentially he shuffled all the letters in the Bible into a 30x30 or so matrix for each page. Then, as in a crossword puzzle, he claimed to find information that was remarkably prophetic:
There is no way to ignore the clear fact that a computerized code in the Bible . . . accurately predicted the Gulf War, the collision of a comet with Jupiter, and the assassination of [Israeli Prime Minister] Rabin, also seems to state that the Apocalypse starts now, that within a decade, we may face the real Armageddon, a nuclear World War.
There was a gigantic commotion about this... until a guy working with a slightly inferior computer found the same kind of stuff in Moby Dick!
Just one example: a "divine" "prophecy" from Our Lord Herman Melville dealing with the death of Robert Kennedy at the hands of Sirhan Sirhan:
Margim
Footy's back.
Oh my goodness! Its true! Its all true!! Run for your lives...
mazzz
Emperor
lol, Moby Dick is the new holy book
bobgote
Trousers
man, the bible code was a stretch, but the only intelligible words in the "dick code" are the ones that are in the original text.
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