Scientific Trait?

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I was wondering what happened to the Scientific trait? I don't think a free tech per age is really that overpowered...considering it would be one of your two trait selections...

Perhaps a modder can add it back in? I'm still so new to modding, not sure how it'd be done.

Anyway, am I the only one who misses the Scientific trait?

Sam
 
No, I also wish that there was a sci trait. Hopefully in an expansion.

Although, instead of a free tech per age, perhaps every city over size 5 gets a free scientist, over 10 2 free scis over 15 3 free etc etc.
 
Philosophical is about this... 50% cheaper univs + 100% GPP. Yes, it's not exactly scientific... but almost this one:)
 
Actually I think Financial is the closest thing to the Scientific trait of CIII (it certainly speeds things up a LOT), with Organized being like the Commercial trait... Right?
 
Financial is more like commercial in civ3. There you got extra commerce per tile what already made one.
 
I agree. The only True Scientific leader will be Provost Zakharov.
 
Desert-Fox said:
Philosophical is about this... 50% cheaper univs + 100% GPP. Yes, it's not exactly scientific... but almost this one:)
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Ahhh...philosophy...the search for truth is not the same as the search for fact. Try having a philosopher explain to you the meaning of quantum mechanics :) Yet, physicists have been using it quite successfully (a la MRIs, etc) for 3/4 of a century!

Agree it is close to a scientific trait--but I am thinking scientific can be more obvious a boost in your research; Universities don't come until ~1/2 way through the game, and you still have to build them to get the benefits.

Sam
 
player1 fanatic said:
Becuse leaders are not "scientific".
They could be "creative" or "philosophical", but not "scientific".
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I don't see why a leader couldn't be scientific if he can be both financial and spiritual. John F. Kennedy for one could be classified as being scientific, after all he considerably boosted the Apollo Program and set its firm goal to be landing man on the Moon.
 
Exel said:
I don't see why a leader couldn't be scientific if he can be both financial and spiritual. John F. Kennedy for one could be classified as being scientific, after all he considerably boosted the Apollo Program and set its firm goal to be landing man on the Moon.
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Many of modern China's leaders, including Hu Jintao, have engineering backgrounds.
 
germanys latest chancellor has a PhD in nature science (quantum chemistry). there's a lot of "scientific" leaders. but do you notice their scientificness in the way they lead a country?
 
I don't know how much science he would put into it but Einstein was offered the presidency of Israel.
Maybe he could be a scientific leader.

I just looked, there really isn't a sci trait.
That's like no Babelons. :shudder:
That could be a good idea though.
I don't about 1 per era since there are like 6 eras and you could pick the most expensive.
Unless it picked it, probably the cheapest, for you.
 
i'll add to this - ol Jimmy Carter was a Nuclear engineer i think (or nuclear something) Too, i think that who ever was in charge of the Greek city state Syracuse had a competition for someone to come up with a new weapon (and of course there was one famouse inventor there that came up with
cranes ect. oh yeah- archimedes.
 
And don't forget, virtually all of what is now considered science can trace roots back to ancient philosophers. Mathematics, logic, the scientific method, all come from philosophy in some way.

I agree with Desert-Fox: the increased university build rate and +GP points from the philosophical trait is essentially your scientific trait.
 
First off, there WAS no science before the Scientific Method in the 19th Century - before that, there was only Philosophy, Natural Philosophy and Mathematics. Secondly, a free tech every era with the new flexible tech tree would be hugely overpowered - you could beeline to Calendar or Maths or something, enter the Classical era and get a religious tech or something powerful while everyone else was still filling in the beginning of the tree.
 
What do you call Galileo, Newton, Huygens...

Just because the label "scientist" didn't exist doesn't detract from what they would be called doing the exact same thing today...

Still, point well taken, but not justification IMHO. I was proferring a free tech per era as an example...if it turned out being too powerful, then a modest boost in research rate (+1 scientist per city, or maybe +5 scientists in one city so it wasn't tied to the # of cities you own...or +10% research...or even just a simple all buildings with a scientific bend--Library, University, Laboratory, etc--50% off).

Sam
 
Well they are Creative since they had creativity to invent things others have not. Some of them are great thinkers and thus Philosphical too.

Now the real question why game assumes Creativity to be linked with Artists only, and not science too.
 
I believe some of the traits of Civ3 were split in 2 for Civ4, while others were just given different names:
1. Militaristic is now Aggressive.
2. Religious is now Spiritual.
3. Scientific was split into Creative & Philosophical.
4. Commercial was split into Financial & Organized.
5. Industrious retains its name (though it has different characteristics now).
6. Expansionist got a slight name change to Expansive (though its characteristics were changed significantly).
 
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