Seer: Next tech @ 2800 BC

[robboo]

AH and then IW...regardless if we find horses or not....OR just go for IW.

Its called we need to get something stronger than archers strategy and figuring out where to settle next strategy. Its a good thing we dint try for a religion...we would be up the proverbial creek then.

The Oracle build needs to depend on finding strong military.

 

[ori]

Just to throw in some Barbarians we will see some of them soon and need some defenders that are better than warriors - so I'd prefer archery then writing, alphabet - pick up any religion techs we need for the oracle and go for code of law...

 

[dutchfire]

AH -> Pottery -> Writing -> Alphabet -> Trade for other old techs

 

[Falcon02]

Civil Service costs more than CoL does and as you said, CoL is required for CS. I'd hate to waste a free tech on CoL when we could get a more expensive tech.

Granted, if this game continues like it appears and we bounce around tech wise, than I can see using it for CoL instead. If we stay focused (which I'm afraid we won't), than it'll be no problem waiting for CS.

IIRC, CoL will take about 50 turns (no growth). The question then is, how much research power will we have from growth by the time we can research CoL, how many turns CoL will take, and if we're willing to invest that time into CoL instead of something else, say Animal Husbandry or Iron Working, to refocus our efforts on enforcing our Military.

And if we're going to continue focus on resources if it's even worth it to try to pursue Oracle.

Unfortunately we can't start trying to trade for techs until we get Alphabet, so everything we learn now, we're on our own for.

Personally I'm fine with Archery for now, they are great defenders. Though any offensive action they're not too useful. Though right now our priority should be defense while we build.

 

[Falcon02]

AH -> Pottery -> Writing -> Alphabet -> Trade for other old techs

When I get back home tonight (or when I get up tommarrow) I'll try to do a bit more indepth analysis of this path. Unless someone wants to do it for me

 

[fed1943]

I propose a "safety" path: archery - AH - IW.
There will be barbs and AI, so defense must be the first concern.
Of course,religion is good (happiness,gold,diplomacy) but cannot replace minimal
defence. Also the alpha path is good,but not before we can hold our ground
and develop the land.
It would be useful to calculate times of research paths and cross them with the builds,but that also depends on the 2nd city site.
Best regards,

 

[dutchfire]

Well, archers won't give us that much safety, they can't beat barb axes in the open. Chariots can, and we'll only have to research AH to get them. (I'm fairly positive that we'll have at least one of the early resources.)

 

[ori]

Well, archers won't give us that much safety, they can't beat barb axes in the open. Chariots can, and we'll only have to research AH to get them. (I'm fairly positive that we'll have at least one of the early resources.)

in Vanilla I don't have much faith in Chariots when it comes to defending our citie(s) against axes though and there is quite a lot of forest out there that gives axes enough defense to outlast any chariot... I'd rather see some defense in our cities soon (i.e. archers)

 

[FeedBack]

Greetings, everyone. I'm new here, so I apologize in advance for any move/post I make.

I believe donsig wants to research Mysticism for monuments in new cities, and I agree with him. But, we don't need it until we can settle another city. It may be a while, as I read in the TCIT that the settler is due in 11 turns. Until then, even Archery can be delayed, so we can see where to settle.

That said, I think the right tech to research now should be animal husbandry. It reveals the horses and, guess what? It will take 11 turns to research. The timing would be perfect, if I may say it.

 

[DaveShack]

So far we have general strategies of:

• Build the Oracle and get either civil service or something on the machinery path.
• Research military techs for defense and resource location.
• Research alphabet and trade for earlier techs

Everyone, does your suggestion fit into one of these strategy types? If not, how would you characterize it?

 

[Falcon02]

So far we have general strategies of:

• Build the Oracle and get either civil service or something on the machinery path.
• Research military techs for defense and resource location.
• Research alphabet and trade for earlier techs

Everyone, does your suggestion fit into one of these strategy types? If not, how would you characterize it?

Some Oracle proposals focus more on founding a Religion.

Also most of the non-military tracts tend to lean twoards Archery or some other military tech first, but with the end goal/focus elsewhere.

 

[dutchfire]

So far we have general strategies of:

• Build the Oracle and get either civil service or something on the machinery path.
• Research military techs for defense and resource location.
• Research alphabet and trade for earlier techs

Everyone, does your suggestion fit into one of these strategy types? If not, how would you characterize it?

My suggestion fits number two and three, Animal Husbandry for horses, and then alphabet for trading.

 

[grant2004]

So far we have general strategies of:

• Build the Oracle and get either civil service or something on the machinery path.
• Research military techs for defense and resource location.
• Research alphabet and trade for earlier techs

Everyone, does your suggestion fit into one of these strategy types? If not, how would you characterize it?

I would agree with the first option. I don't see why people are so paranoid about the AI attacking, there is a lot of room to expand and AI's prefer to expand peacefully before they start wars, so we've got tons of time to get iron working.

Heck, archers can act as a great defense, and sometimes even a good offense. We need archery for basic defense, but Iron working and horses are really just extra.

Religion is very important, if you use a great prophet on the holy city to get your religion wonder the gold you take in is increadible. It's actually faster and more profitable to build missionaries and spread your religion, than to build courthouses or markets in your cities.

 

[Hyronymus]

Not much to add to grant2004's analysis. We really must strive for The Oracle.

 

[DaveShack]

Update

• Build the Oracle and get either civil service or something on the machinery path.
• Research military techs for defense and resource location.
• Research alphabet and trade for earlier techs
• Get religion, either via the Oracle or researching it ahead of when the Oracle is built.

 

[Falcon02]

Update

• Build the Oracle and get either civil service or something on the machinery path.
• Research military techs for defense and resource location.
• Research alphabet and trade for earlier techs
• Get religion, either via the Oracle or researching it ahead of when the Oracle is built.

Looks about right, the "1 military tech first" plans still fall in one of those catagories in my opinion. Just a slight deviation with the relevent discription as the overall goal.

 

[donsig]

• Build the Oracle and get either civil service or something on the machinery path.
• Research military techs for defense and resource location.
• Research alphabet and trade for earlier techs
• Get religion, either via the Oracle or researching it ahead of when the Oracle is built.

If you're looking for strategic focus try:

• Militant, conquest oriented
• Militant, defense oriented
• Peaceful, non-Religious
• Peaceful, Religious

If we see where we fit within these categories it might help us decide many issues. I know we can combine these further (and be, say, militant, conquest oriented and religious) but I'm trying to keep it simple.

 

[fed1943]

I am for "research military techs for defense and resource location" First.
Not war necessarily, but to have enough for self defense always; and the basic
for offense, if we so decide.
And for war or peace, we need to maximize our resources before and more than
the other guys.
Best regards,

 

[ice2k4]

General Strategy discussion has began here.

 

[ordinaryguy]

Not much to add to grant2004's analysis. We really must strive for The Oracle.

Plus, if we get beaten to The Oracle but have put hammers in it, the cash we get would allow us to research at a higher rate for a period of time.