Servicemen receive token punishment for sex crimes...

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Source: http://www.denverpost.com

Sex-assault cases from Iraq often stall

"Army records show prosecution rare, reprimands from officers common."

U.S. soldiers accused of rape and other sex crimes while serving in Iraq routinely dodged prosecution during the past year with the help of commanders who gave them light punishments such as reprimands and pay cuts, according to military records released to The Denver Post.

Troops facing sex-offense accusations were given job-related punishments - which offer no prospect of prison time - nearly five times as often as criminal charges.

Such leniency also was granted to soldiers accused of serial crimes. Although investigators compiled evidence to prosecute a Fort Stewart, Ga., sergeant on claims he sexually assaulted three subordinate battalion members, he was given only a reprimand, records show.

And although evidence was gathered to prosecute a military police officer on one of two rape allegations, reports show his commanders merely dropped him in rank and discharged him at his request.

Those cases are among three dozen closed investigations involving alleged assaults on troops by other military personnel released to The Post under the Freedom of Information Act. The Army records offer the clearest picture yet into the military's handling of sexual assault reports during the Iraq war. The Navy and Air Force have not released similar data.

Many of the Army cases - 25 others are still sealed awaiting disciplinary action - confirm trends among reports from female GIs who said they were attacked by fellow soldiers during the Afghanistan and Iraq military operations: specifically, that their complaints were met with incomplete investigations and lenient treatment of offenders.

"I am very concerned about this information," Sen. Wayne Allard, R-Colo., said after reviewing several case details given to him by The Post. "I plan to bring it to the attention of the Personnel Subcommittee of the Senate Armed Services Committee for discussion and possible investigation."

Pentagon officials said they could not comment on the cases because they did not have enough time to review them. But a spokeswoman emphasized that the Defense Department is examining how sexual assault cases are managed by commands.

"The Army is aggressive in investigating all cases of reported sexual misconduct," said Maj. Kristen Carle, an Army spokeswoman. "The Army has established a task force to conduct an Army-wide review of the effectiveness of current policies on reporting and addressing allegations."

Congress has been investigating the armed forces' response to sexual assault since late last year after The Post found widespread leniency for accused sex offenders and punishment for victims, most recently in the war zone.

The Pentagon launched an internal inquiry in February. Defense Department officials declined to say Friday whether the newly released documents are being examined by the task force.

In the military, commanders, not prosecutors, decide whether soldiers face criminal proceedings - an issue that has drawn concern from Congress, legal experts and victim advocates. It also is common for commanders to weigh input from accused soldiers on what type of punishment they prefer.

Between February and December 2003, commanders in the battlefield gave 18 accused soldiers in the closed cases administrative punishments for sex-assault offenses. Four soldiers were court-martialed, leading to two convictions and two acquittals. Of the remaining 19 cases released by the Army, no punishment resulted because of a lack of evidence.

"These numbers startle me," said Eugene Fidell, director of the National Institute for Military Justice, referring to the administrative disciplines. The institute has repeatedly called for Congress to conduct a comprehensive study into commanders' authority over criminal matters. "The law currently gives commanders very broad discretion. I think there should be a call for some official explanation" from the Pentagon, Fidell said.

The newly released files were mostly truncated case files, containing blacked-out names of accused soldiers, investigators and commanders who issued disciplines.

Not all cases were soldier-on-soldier assaults.

In one investigation, three Fort Bragg, N.C., soldiers with the 519th Military Intelligence Battalion were accused of assaulting an Iraqi woman held in the Abu Ghraib prison. Although no details were provided, the report notes that the enlisted men were each fined at least $500 and demoted in rank.

Another case involving an assault on an Iraqi citizen led to a six-year prison sentence for a 4th Infantry Division soldier. He was found guilty by court-martial of repeatedly molesting an Iraqi boy in Kirkuk.

Such convictions were rare, even for those believed to have committed multiple offenses. Several soldiers who avoided prosecution faced more than one sex-assault allegation or were suspected of assaulting more than one victim.

In the case of the sergeant accused of assaulting three battalion soldiers - two incidents occurring in shower stalls - he even admitted to the crimes, documents show. And despite a prosecutor's note that "sufficient admissible evidence is available to prosecute the subject for the offenses," the commander chose only to reprimand the sergeant. No explanation was given, a trend in all the cases.

The Army's investigation into two rape accusations against an Army specialist serving at Camp Bucca led investigators to find evidence that he "committed the offenses of rape and forcible sodomy" in one of the crimes, according to documents.

His punishment: demotion and a discharge from the military - without a criminal record.

Pentagon officials said in a statement to The Post that decisions behind administrative punishments often involve a variety of factors, sometimes including a lack of evidence to pursue prosecution.

In the case of the Iraqi prisoner who reported being assaulted, the case file notes that "investigation did not establish sufficient evidence to prove or disprove (the soldiers) committed the offenses."

However, the case file notes that the investigation, which still had "leads remaining," was terminated because the subjects had been given administrative punishments by their commander.

Among other cases released to The Post:

A specialist who, records show, admitted having sexually assaulted another soldier was demoted, ordered to perform extra duty and given a $575 fine - even though prosecutors advised the commander of ample evidence to prosecute him on sexual assault charges and giving false statements to try to cover up the crime.

A master sergeant with a Fort Stewart unit was administratively rebuked in response to two separate assaults on one woman. The investigative report found "probable cause to believe he committed the offense of indecent assault." Instead of being charged, his commander reprimanded him.

A specialist was accused of raping a private at Camp Dogwood; however, the report said the woman delayed reporting the incident and an "untimely" response from investigators failed to collect enough evidence. The investigation was "terminated ... in that the subject's commander has indicated his intent to take action amounting to less than court proceedings and no further investigative assistance by CID (Criminal Investigation Command) is required."

Military investigators recommended prosecuting a soldier with a Walter Reed Medical Center unit on counts of sexually assaulting a private while she slept in her tent in Kuwait. Commanders instead gave him an administrative penalty. The case file did not disclose the specific action.

Investigators believed a Fort Stewart soldier should be prosecuted on charges of sodomizing and attempting to rape another soldier while she was sleeping. His commanders opted to halt the investigation despite remaining leads and to "administer punishment amounting less than a court proceeding." That action also was not disclosed.


Anyone wish to try and explain away this data?

It is not a an anti-US bash, before that particular whine is brought to bear as a defence.

Bu this underlines the old adage, that the military is a law unto itself.

Feel free to discuss...
 
A quick glance at the thread name will tell you the word religion is not in it.

Perhaps you missed that? :)
 
No, but you do tend to turn discussions that have nothing to do with religion into yet another christianity bashfest.
 
Yes I agree with Les, you always seem to find a way to bring religion into the discussion. Anyway Curt, back on topic,....... tell me, how did God move you to post this thread? :lol:

Back on topic, (really). I think you summed it up at the end, "the military is a law unto itself." This alas is not confined to the US army but is probably a phenomena the world over, its just a question as to what degree.

The question is what to do. If the military feel they can write their own rules in preference to the laws laid down by elected representatives then we are in trouble.
 
Yes - lets try to keep threads on-topic.

Is the army a law unto itself? Is there not a (semi) independent group designed to monitor and police the armed forces? If there is, is it ineffective?

We have similar debates about the police force going on in New Zealand - several policemen have been suspended pending an inquiry that they raped a woman then covered for each other when she reported it. :hmm:

For the army in particular, if it is true is it symptomatic of some sort of discrimination against woman -> a deep-seated belief that woman have no place in the armed forces?
 
There is also the Deepcut base controversy in the UK.

Stories of ritual brutality and violence against new recruits.

Armed forces people I know say that the NCOs and officers involved have a curtain of protection flung around them by the top brass.

Typical.
 
This is nothing new thats unique to Iraq, for years the Japanese and Koreans have had the same problems with sexual assaults, and the attempts by the brass to cover it up, or their refusal to punish the offending soldiers. Conquering armies rape women, its as old as war itself.
 
this reminds me of the stance many Americans have taken on this very board here that terrorist methods are acceptable if used by the US :rolleyes: So raping is, well, not too bad, as long as it is done to 'them', and not by 'them'.....

:hmm:

US vs Them it is, it seems - where are the democratic values? Human rights?

Most certainly not in the hearts and minds of the responsible commanders :(
 
Originally posted by carlosMM
this reminds me of the stance many Americans have taken on this very board here that terrorist methods are acceptable if used by the US :rolleyes:

From who?
 
tsf: you know the candidates, you posted in the thread I am referring to where I explicitly asked if that poster meant what I understood he meant and he never replied.......


btw, heard that from others, too, Brits, germans etc - but NOT from many, as opposed to American citizens. Maybe this results from their utter shock and disbelief that they can be attacked at home?
 
Originally posted by carlosMM
this reminds me of the stance many Americans have taken on this very board here that terrorist methods are acceptable if used by the US :rolleyes: So raping is, well, not too bad, as long as it is done to 'them', and not by 'them'.....


If you think this is limited to the US military, you're more foolish than you sound like.

The trick here is achieving the appropriate balance. Obviously things like rape are unacceptable, and instead of stomping it out the Pentagon appears to be blocking for the ones responsible. But you can't just hand control of discipline over to civilians. There are a great many practices in the military which would probably strike most civilians as "inhumane" or "barbaric" - think "Code Reds" (made famous by the movie A Few Good Men) or "Hell Week" in BUD/S - but they are critical to building an effective combat unit.
It may not even be possible to strike a balance. You'll probably end up with some double standards in there... Perhaps we're going to be forced to choose between looking the other way when things go to far or cutting it all out and hoping that the military can cope.
 
I don't understand the surprise. I am not defending the actions, but I am actually surprised there isn't a bigger problem. They mix the sexes all up in the military, then send them abroad to some hellhole for a year at a time, many of the men losing their mental stability, and they expect there not to be serious sexually-related situations? The whole situation seems ridiculous, in that they train people to go against their basic instincts and murder other human beings, and they brainwash them to do this for their entire military careers, and then people are surprised when the soldiers start losing their human decency.

I am not going to comment on what should be done or give moral input, as that would just make me another member of the lynch mob, but from a sociological and psychological standpoint, all I have to say is, what did you think was going to happen?

After all, rape is sort of smaller prey then murder, so it isn't surprising at all.
 
Originally posted by Dumb pothead
This is nothing new thats unique to Iraq, for years the Japanese and Koreans have had the same problems with sexual assaults, and the attempts by the brass to cover it up, or their refusal to punish the offending soldiers. Conquering armies rape women, its as old as war itself.

Yes; but the Vikings murdered, pillaged and raped the enemy.

Only the US with umpteen billion dollars can produce such "friendly-fire" molestation.
 
Originally posted by carlosMM
this reminds me of the stance many Americans have taken on this very board here that terrorist methods are acceptable if used by the US :rolleyes: So raping is, well, not too bad, as long as it is done to 'them', and not by 'them'.....
:confused: But I thought the point of this was that it was american soldiers raping their compatriots....:confused:
 
Originally posted by EdwardTking
Yes; but the Vikings murdered, pillaged and raped the enemy.

Only the US with umpteen billion dollars can produce such "friendly-fire" molestation.

Homosexual rape of fellow-soldiers is not exactly unknown in the history of warfare.
 
Originally posted by The Last Conformist
Homosexual rape of fellow-soldiers is not exactly unknown in the history of warfare.

The Vikings didn't call them "victims", they called them "liabilities"
 
Originally posted by Speedo
There are a great many practices in the military which would probably strike most civilians as "inhumane" or "barbaric" - think "Code Reds" (made famous by the movie A Few Good Men) or "Hell Week" in BUD/S - but they are critical to building an effective combat unit.

Tell me again how rape is critical in building an effective combat unit?

How about we just create a civilian board resposible for investigating and persecuting sexual assaults? That way the military can have all of their other "inhumane" and "barbaric" practices that help form effective fighting units - because we can ALL agree that rape is not one of those things.
 
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