Sewer

[SirLamphead]

If this is not in the appropriate forum please let me know, sorry for any inconvience if there is any.

I was thinking about a new building in Civilization, the sewer. In my opinion it should have been included in BtS.

The sewer could offer +2 or +3 health in a city or halve unhealthiness caused by population.
These sewers really revolutionized sanitation in the 19th century when they were first built.
Scientific Method or another technology could be the pre-requisite.

Thoughts on this?
Has this been mentioned before?

 

[davidis.ca]

sounds like a good idea but many civ's had been building sewers in earlier times so i would go with construction or something

 

[SirLamphead]

Really the only time unhealthiness plays a big problem is in the industrial era, after you gain access to coal and oil and start building factories and gain power to the factories.

 

[davidis.ca]

true i just said it for historical accuracy

 

[SirLamphead]

Well for historical accuracy then we might as well have the ability to build sewers at masonry. They were building sewers in the Indus river valley at close to 5000 years ago.

 

[Bushface]

I also feel that Sanitation (sounds nicer than "sewer") should be one of the techs. What would have happened in ancient Rome without it ? And think what benefit it brought to Victorian London.

 

[AriochIV]

The aqueduct is, in effect, a sewer system.

 

[bentley004]

The aqueduct is, in effect, a sewer system.

yeah more or less, and for the purposes of the game, I am content in assuming the aqueduct encompasses an overall sewer type system

 

[EweezE]

I like the idea of the sewer being added as a new building. Do I think it will happen? No. If it was going to be added though, there'd need to be a new pollution causing building added too. Maybe an amusement park. It would add happiness, but cause pollution at the same time.

 

[Tibur753]

I agree that the aqueduct represents a sewer system. I think that amusement park is a good idea though.
+10% and +2, requires oil, available with Mass Media.

 

[RedRalph]

Its available in Road to War

 

[bob bobato]

I also feel that Sanitation (sounds nicer than "sewer") should be one of the techs. What would have happened in ancient Rome without it ? And think what benefit it brought to Victorian London.

That's true. But ,the thing is, that would mess up a lot of eras between Rome and the Victorians where Sanitation wasn't so important, so it couldn't start with Rome (unless it became possible for technologies to be lost, but that would annoy a lot of people).

 

[SirLamphead]

The sewer was not in wide use until the victorian era.
Between Rome and then people just chucked their crap (literally) on to the streets.
The aqueduct is not a sewer because it brings water in. The sewer takes the pollution from human organic waste out of the city or processes it into clean water.

 

[davidis.ca]

yes but it was in use in roman eras by this argument then we have to delete temples monasteries and every kind of religious building if we run Communist civics because temples were not in se between the soviet revolution and the fall of USSR

 

[SirLamphead]

yes but it was in use in roman eras by this argument then we have to delete temples monasteries and every kind of religious building if we run Communist civics because temples were not in se between the soviet revolution and the fall of USSR

For gameplay the temples are kept in the State Property civic and for gameplay we shouldn't have the opportunity to build sewers around 1AD. If you want to get real nitty gritty about history, Heron of Alexandria build a steam powered amusement device before Jesus, yet we can't build levees then can we? Coal was used heavily in the middle ages for smelting and warming homes but yet the resource is not revealed until the industrial era.

So your argument does not make sense. Yes if we follow history by the book then this will happen. Civ is a rough historical arrangement of buildings and techs and resources. However we don't really need sewers until the industrial eras of factories and power supply, it would be best to allow them to be built around that time.

 

[davidis.ca]

For gameplay the temples are kept in the State Property civic and for gameplay we shouldn't have the opportunity to build sewers around 1AD. If you want to get real nitty gritty about history, Heron of Alexandria build a steam powered amusement device before Jesus, yet we can't build levees then can we? Coal was used heavily in the middle ages for smelting and warming homes but yet the resource is not revealed until the industrial era.

So your argument does not make sense. Yes if we follow history by the book then this will happen. Civ is a rough historical arrangement of buildings and techs and resources. However we don't really need sewers until the industrial eras of factories and power supply, it would be best to allow them to be built around that time.

I agree with all this that is why i had mentioned in another post of mine that i was going for historical accuracy and not gameplay issues.