SGOTM 08 - Gypsy Kings
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Ronnie1
Deity
The Roster order is
munro - waiting
mystyfly - waiting
Rusten - waiting
Conquistador63 - waiting
adrianj - waiting
hellwitch - just played...Very well done!!!
oyzar - UP NOW
Ronnie1 - waiting
da_Vinci - waiting
munro - waiting
mystyfly - waiting
Rusten - waiting
Conquistador63 - waiting
adrianj - waiting
hellwitch - just played...Very well done!!!
oyzar - UP NOW
Ronnie1 - waiting
da_Vinci - waiting
I am sorry but i don't feel I have the effort to put into this game right now so would be prefered to be skipped for this inning... How come we went right past adrian / mystyfly / conquisador / rusten ? None of them are feeling like playing?
adrianj
Deity
We've kind of done away with the turn order in the interests of keeping things moving. The last few turns IIRC have been Ronnie -> Oyzar -> Munro -> AdrianJ -> HW.
It's been a long time since we've heard from Rusten.
Mysty - how is your computer/BtS install situation?
It seems a while since C63 played, and I don't think dV has managed to keep up due to other restrictions on his time.
Is there an easy way to count all the land tiles of the map? Does our current 37.8% land area include 50% of Ghandi's?
If so, then we currently have (452 + 58/2) / 1272 = 37.8%. For domination we need 62% = 789.
After the borders of our new HRE cities expand we'll have an extra ~100 tiles.
HRE has ~88 left, so as a vassal contributes ~44. Total of 625. This is still well under the limit to give us time to take the appropriate Roman cities and build the other wonders.
Rome currently has 220 tiles, so we could vassalize Rome and still be under the limit. At which point it would probably be easier to win by conquest.
I think we could try a peace deal with Charlemagne for capitulation and his cities of Tolosa and Durnovaria
It's been a long time since we've heard from Rusten.
Mysty - how is your computer/BtS install situation?
It seems a while since C63 played, and I don't think dV has managed to keep up due to other restrictions on his time.
Is there an easy way to count all the land tiles of the map? Does our current 37.8% land area include 50% of Ghandi's?
If so, then we currently have (452 + 58/2) / 1272 = 37.8%. For domination we need 62% = 789.
After the borders of our new HRE cities expand we'll have an extra ~100 tiles.
HRE has ~88 left, so as a vassal contributes ~44. Total of 625. This is still well under the limit to give us time to take the appropriate Roman cities and build the other wonders.
Rome currently has 220 tiles, so we could vassalize Rome and still be under the limit. At which point it would probably be easier to win by conquest.
I think we could try a peace deal with Charlemagne for capitulation and his cities of Tolosa and Durnovaria
Conquistador 63
Deity
I can play if none of the better warmongers of the team are interested. In that case I will wait a day or two for directions and comments on the above suggested tech path and aj's war/diplo recommendations.
In fact I am kinda disappointed with the generally low level of interest/commitment of the team for this game. Maybe the pitboss game (which is rock-bottom priority for me, I certainly won't join another) is draining the team's energy?
In fact I am kinda disappointed with the generally low level of interest/commitment of the team for this game. Maybe the pitboss game (which is rock-bottom priority for me, I certainly won't join another) is draining the team's energy?
Ronnie1
Deity
The Roster order is
munro - waiting
mystyfly - waiting
Rusten - waiting
Conquistador63 - UP NOW
adrianj - waiting
hellwitch - just played...Very well done!!!
oyzar - skipped by request
Ronnie1 - traveling
da_Vinci - in reserve
As to C63's comment, I am sorry I have not been more active personally. My civ time is just really limited right now because of life issues...bummer for me.
I have been watching the progress however and am very pleasantly surprised at how well the last 3 turnsets have gone. I am fully confident that C63 will put up another good one!
munro - waiting
mystyfly - waiting
Rusten - waiting
Conquistador63 - UP NOW
adrianj - waiting
hellwitch - just played...Very well done!!!
oyzar - skipped by request
Ronnie1 - traveling
da_Vinci - in reserve
As to C63's comment, I am sorry I have not been more active personally. My civ time is just really limited right now because of life issues...bummer for me.
I have been watching the progress however and am very pleasantly surprised at how well the last 3 turnsets have gone. I am fully confident that C63 will put up another good one!
My BtS and HoF installations are fine AFAIK. I just can't launch AssetsChecker (I get an error there) but I don't have time this week anyway. It's the last before the holidays and we have lots of test; it's my final year after all 
I could play next week (which is still well in before the deadline).
I could play next week (which is still well in before the deadline).
I can play if none of the better warmongers of the team are interested. In that case I will wait a day or two for directions and comments on the above suggested tech path and aj's war/diplo recommendations.
In fact I am kinda disappointed with the generally low level of interest/commitment of the team for this game. Maybe the pitboss game (which is rock-bottom priority for me, I certainly won't join another) is draining the team's energy?
I'm intrested but it will turn out in single player game, don't you think?
If you want i can give you more detail plan for the invasion. But i don't know when i will have free time to make it as my wife is currently very annoyed from civ
.Be aware that currently 1 turn could need more than 30 min to consider where with what to attack to be most efficient.
As i said be aware that the Greeks are vassals of Rome. So we will need to have couterattack stacks there(2 will be enough if the railroad is finished) with 4-5 artileries . IMO we better to use the GA for culture bomb to help uor diffense on the long war front.
From AJ calcs looks like we better vassalize HRE now. We could gift him rifling and with "attack this or that .." command to use him vs Pericle.
Also we must be aware that if we vassalize Rome we could auto vassalize Pericle too if he is still vassal of Rome and this could lead in unexpected Domination win.
adrianj
Deity
If we vassalize Rome I believe this causes Pericles to be released. I'll check this somehow tomorrow - i think i have an appropriate test game for it.
@C63 - If you get as far as Rome offering capitulation, stop, and we can reassess.
I agree with having HRE help us out by giving him rifling.
@C63 - If you get as far as Rome offering capitulation, stop, and we can reassess.
I agree with having HRE help us out by giving him rifling.
Conquistador 63
Deity
Ok, I've spent some time looking at last save, and now I'm prepared to ask a few specific questions:
1. Charlie capitulated - we got 2 cities on the celtic border as aj suggested. I gave him gunpowder/rep.parts (can give rifling next, should give Miltrad too?) making him stop trading with Augustus/Joao. We are now at 42% land (62% is the limit), some 230 tiles to spare.
2. PreWar vs Rome/Greece:
2.1 I suppose we need to wait to reposition the army from the HRE front - mostly mounted units. Should those be kept close to greek borders or invade or...?
2.2 Galleons from Portugal - do we wait to fill them up or bring what we have?
2.3 Galleons from India - do we load those cannons which are garrisoning the city on the Roman borders?
2.4 Attack order: coastal (or near coastal) cities, counterclockwise?
2.5 Unload like one big stack or divide them to reduce siege counter-attack?
2.6 Airships: sorry for the noob question, but how those work again? Like air bombers (go back and forth from base) or like a flying catapult? It's been a while since I last used them (and not more than once IIRC)
3. Remaining wonders: any suggestions where Globe and Forbidden Palace should go? And the new ones from Radio and Mass Media?
p.s. I saved the game after the capitulation deal but didn't end the current turn.
You see, this can be a tough task for a player like me - but rest assured I will try my best.
1. Charlie capitulated - we got 2 cities on the celtic border as aj suggested. I gave him gunpowder/rep.parts (can give rifling next, should give Miltrad too?) making him stop trading with Augustus/Joao. We are now at 42% land (62% is the limit), some 230 tiles to spare.
2. PreWar vs Rome/Greece:
2.1 I suppose we need to wait to reposition the army from the HRE front - mostly mounted units. Should those be kept close to greek borders or invade or...?
2.2 Galleons from Portugal - do we wait to fill them up or bring what we have?
2.3 Galleons from India - do we load those cannons which are garrisoning the city on the Roman borders?
2.4 Attack order: coastal (or near coastal) cities, counterclockwise?
2.5 Unload like one big stack or divide them to reduce siege counter-attack?
2.6 Airships: sorry for the noob question, but how those work again? Like air bombers (go back and forth from base) or like a flying catapult? It's been a while since I last used them (and not more than once IIRC)
3. Remaining wonders: any suggestions where Globe and Forbidden Palace should go? And the new ones from Radio and Mass Media?
p.s. I saved the game after the capitulation deal but didn't end the current turn.
You see, this can be a tough task for a player like me - but rest assured I will try my best.
Ronnie1
Deity
Airships are indeed like bombers...except they do NOT cause collateral damage. On the plus side...they don't die until fighters show up.
Split the stacks IMO to get the fastest results....25-30% more units than defending...
In other words, can we attack multiple cities at the same time??? I haven't actually had a chance to look at the current save...but if we can attack more than 1 city at a time, I think we should.
Forbidden Palace on the new continent???
Globe....where are we having happy issues??? If none, where do we anticipate happy issues?
Galleons...move the current units and set up a galleon chain so we can unload fresh troops every other turn.
Can we backfill for the cannons??? This would be ideal.
Split the stacks IMO to get the fastest results....25-30% more units than defending...
In other words, can we attack multiple cities at the same time??? I haven't actually had a chance to look at the current save...but if we can attack more than 1 city at a time, I think we should.
Forbidden Palace on the new continent???
Globe....where are we having happy issues??? If none, where do we anticipate happy issues?
Galleons...move the current units and set up a galleon chain so we can unload fresh troops every other turn.
Can we backfill for the cannons??? This would be ideal.
adrianj
Deity
I don't have a lot of time for input right now - but I would think FP and Globe can just go wherever there is plenty of production for them. FP is pretty much redundant under state property IIRC, and the game likely won't last long enough for any city to develop severe happiness issues.
First Rome and Pericle has units and they will form at least 1 per AI free stack.
IMO on ther Pericle front we must keep 2 stack which must be on a railroad from India to Knossos to be able to couterattack whereever enemy stacks apear.
I think we defenetly will not make offense from the land at least in the first 3-4 turns.
The war plan is to declare war then wait 2 turns for the AIs to move their troops from the cities to the front line and then unload the galleons. The two stack from the galeons will face quite less resistance that way.
I dont like the prespective to unload on turn 0 of the war then to be attacked from siege wepons and at the end to face 10-15 units garnisoned in Cumae for example.
For this tacitic we will need some siege units on the continent to weaken the enemy stack but first use the airships - they are realy like bombers(more like week figthers in fact) but they can do only 25% damage overall so dont relly on them that much.
We also need time to complete Radio, Mass media and facism wonders so dont be too mu ch in a hurry for the war. IMO declare after between 5 and 8 turns.
For the wonders just make them that way that all of them will be done in less then 15 from this point. At this point of the game 15 turn are a lot - for example the complete continental invasion up to here is exactly 16 turns i.e. for 16 turns we were able to make invasion from the west coast of the continent to the east coast.
BE aware that in the desant stacks we dont need too many siege units but Infantry to be able to make kills. Also as most of the enemy troops will be rifles dont use cavs and cuirsaisers for the invasion but keep the for a diffence.
About the build - make most of the troops in Portugal and the wonders in our old cities to less time for transoprt.
Dont use gold for upg. because currently our advance was so good that the research could comeback as the limiting factor for victory.
Keep the espionage for Rome only to be able to see what they are researching sooner!!!
IMO on ther Pericle front we must keep 2 stack which must be on a railroad from India to Knossos to be able to couterattack whereever enemy stacks apear.
I think we defenetly will not make offense from the land at least in the first 3-4 turns.
The war plan is to declare war then wait 2 turns for the AIs to move their troops from the cities to the front line and then unload the galleons. The two stack from the galeons will face quite less resistance that way.
I dont like the prespective to unload on turn 0 of the war then to be attacked from siege wepons and at the end to face 10-15 units garnisoned in Cumae for example.
For this tacitic we will need some siege units on the continent to weaken the enemy stack but first use the airships - they are realy like bombers(more like week figthers in fact) but they can do only 25% damage overall so dont relly on them that much.
We also need time to complete Radio, Mass media and facism wonders so dont be too mu ch in a hurry for the war. IMO declare after between 5 and 8 turns.
For the wonders just make them that way that all of them will be done in less then 15 from this point. At this point of the game 15 turn are a lot - for example the complete continental invasion up to here is exactly 16 turns i.e. for 16 turns we were able to make invasion from the west coast of the continent to the east coast.
BE aware that in the desant stacks we dont need too many siege units but Infantry to be able to make kills. Also as most of the enemy troops will be rifles dont use cavs and cuirsaisers for the invasion but keep the for a diffence.
About the build - make most of the troops in Portugal and the wonders in our old cities to less time for transoprt.
Dont use gold for upg. because currently our advance was so good that the research could comeback as the limiting factor for victory.
Keep the espionage for Rome only to be able to see what they are researching sooner!!!
Conquistador 63
Deity
Thanks for the tips. Unfortunately I have been short on time to play much this week, but last night I started another short session where I sent an Airship and a scout on recon mission, so I was able to map out most of Roman territory. There are less troops than I imagined. Rome does have lots of cats sitting there, see labels in each city.
EDIT: just found big stack in Ravenna: 6 cav/6rif/4kni/7treb/4WE/6 other
And after culture-bombing the HRE city as HW suggested we're now at 47% land. As we got Radio the wonder currently taking longer to build is Eiffel - 13t from t239.
I plan to have played most of the turnset (maybe close to the endgame) until next Sunday, hopefully that is ok with you.
EDIT: just found big stack in Ravenna: 6 cav/6rif/4kni/7treb/4WE/6 other
And after culture-bombing the HRE city as HW suggested we're now at 47% land. As we got Radio the wonder currently taking longer to build is Eiffel - 13t from t239.
I plan to have played most of the turnset (maybe close to the endgame) until next Sunday, hopefully that is ok with you.
c63 just be aware that te lbs and pike will be upg. to rifles when the war start. Also the knights will be upg. to cav.
IMO the biggest treat are the cavs becuase if the AI throw them over one target they could succeed. So my adv. is to use the airships to reduce cav. health on turn 0 of the war.
IMO the biggest treat are the cavs becuase if the AI throw them over one target they could succeed. So my adv. is to use the airships to reduce cav. health on turn 0 of the war.
Conquistador 63
Deity
I played up to turn 250 (1700AD). Unfortunately I ran out of time before completing the expected task (Augustus willing to capitulate). I should also be away from game PC for a couple weeks so it's next player turn.
We captured 2 of the target Roman cities and we have 2 stacks on their way to Rome. IIRC we're 5 turns away from the latest wonder (Hollywood), and 7 turns from next GP in Ulundi. We got a GProphet who founded the Islamic shrine. Next one will be hopefully a GE for a corp - if a GPro we'll need to take Boudica's Tao holy city.
We're 4turns from Industrialism if we want to go there.
War-wise I did as HW suggested (waited some 5 turns to declare, then a couple turns to unload galleons, but Augustus' and Pericles' bigger stacks stayed inside their unimportant cities until now.
Augustus still won't capitulate but Pericles has just freed himself from being a vassal. We have like 51% land and Augustus has 16%. I believe his capitulation by itself won't get us past land Dom. threshold.
HOF Autolog
We captured 2 of the target Roman cities and we have 2 stacks on their way to Rome. IIRC we're 5 turns away from the latest wonder (Hollywood), and 7 turns from next GP in Ulundi. We got a GProphet who founded the Islamic shrine. Next one will be hopefully a GE for a corp - if a GPro we'll need to take Boudica's Tao holy city.
We're 4turns from Industrialism if we want to go there.
War-wise I did as HW suggested (waited some 5 turns to declare, then a couple turns to unload galleons, but Augustus' and Pericles' bigger stacks stayed inside their unimportant cities until now.
Augustus still won't capitulate but Pericles has just freed himself from being a vassal. We have like 51% land and Augustus has 16%. I believe his capitulation by itself won't get us past land Dom. threshold.
HOF Autolog
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Conquistador 63
Deity
From Ronnie1's most recent roster update:
Let's see...With R1 travelling and no internet access, as he mentioned in the pitboss thread, I self-appoint myself team captain (for this post's period only).
We have dV on autoskip, no post from Rusten in the last months, oyzar skipped by request, and last turnsets by Munro -> AdrianJ -> HW -> C63, I believe mystyfly could play if he has the time and has sorted out his installation troubles.
But given the tight schedule, I could also play a few more turns tonight (+ 6h from this post) until the end, only if mystyfly tells us he can't play in the next few days. If no word from him or from anyone else in the next hours I won't play.
Let's see...With R1 travelling and no internet access, as he mentioned in the pitboss thread, I self-appoint myself team captain (for this post's period only
).We have dV on autoskip, no post from Rusten in the last months, oyzar skipped by request, and last turnsets by Munro -> AdrianJ -> HW -> C63, I believe mystyfly could play if he has the time and has sorted out his installation troubles.
But given the tight schedule, I could also play a few more turns tonight (+ 6h from this post) until the end, only if mystyfly tells us he can't play in the next few days. If no word from him or from anyone else in the next hours I won't play.
adrianj
Deity
Excellent stuff C63!
We probably aren't that many turns from the end now are we? Probably not a bad idea to take a break and get some input.
When I have some time (within a few hours) I'll update the wonder list from post 580. Our decisions from here, as always, will be based on maximising that wonder score / turn ratio. We might find that taking the domination victory ASAP is better than waiting for a small number of wonders.
We probably aren't that many turns from the end now are we? Probably not a bad idea to take a break and get some input.
When I have some time (within a few hours) I'll update the wonder list from post 580. Our decisions from here, as always, will be based on maximising that wonder score / turn ratio. We might find that taking the domination victory ASAP is better than waiting for a small number of wonders.
We have some kind of carneval here in switzerland and in my few sober moments I'm having squash matches/tournaments.
Regarding my installation; I needed some kind of windows update to be able to launch AssetsChecker but I can't because my OS seems to be faulty (installed). I guess I have to reinstall it again. I could do that but would rather when I have a bit more relaxing time... As we're close to finishing, I'd rather see you guys finish it, as you already are very familiar with our (military) situation and I fully trust you to handle it well
Regarding my installation; I needed some kind of windows update to be able to launch AssetsChecker but I can't because my OS seems to be faulty (installed). I guess I have to reinstall it again. I could do that but would rather when I have a bit more relaxing time... As we're close to finishing, I'd rather see you guys finish it, as you already are very familiar with our (military) situation and I fully trust you to handle it well
