SGOTM 09 - Unusual Suspects

[Indiansmoke]

No city razing is on.
Yes we already have wine hooked.
I like Moai in Panama. I don't even know about capturing Atlantis.

Per Gitbliss, we could get cow, rice and iron in 5th city's fat cross by settling directly on wine.

We shouldn't try to settle Greenland (Island) Production City until we have triremes, right? Panama is higher priority, IMO.

If I get metal casting in a trade, do we try to stack a couple triremes to defend clam boat for Thebes?

The PPP in post #389 has been edited. Changes are in magenta. Or shall I repost the PPP at end of thread?

Settling decision is tricky. I would prefer in place so that maoi city gets iron...but we might be too slow for pig city spot...so I am not sure. I would take the risk though and settle in place and try to acceletrate settler as much as possible.

If you get metal casting in a deal then build a tririme and try to kill any galley that comes on coast, kill then retreat to city..so we get a promoted tririme that can do some damage...first strikes are awesome in tririmes vs galleys..

Also don't forget to put a forest preserve in the forest east past capital BFC so we get a better chance for forest to spread on those river tiles.

 

[classical_hero]

I think we should have ur Maoi city on the hill right next to the Iron, so that we can bget the pigs, Iron, Fish and Flood plains, making it an awesome site. So that would be the 6th city and that would mean that it is best for us to settle where the xbow and settler are already.

think we need to road towards Babylon so that we can get some much needed foreign trade routes and when we do get them, I think it might be good to get Currency, since we will get better results, but right now it is not needed, since we have no foreign routes. Getting Jaoa would be awesome.

Here is a crazy thought, but we are at threat of attacks from the barbs, so why don't we build a carrier, so that we can attack the galleys? All we need to do is mine the uranium and we can build ourselves a carrier to defend our waters and to scout the world. How does that idea sound?

 

[Indiansmoke]

That would be cool, but we don't have the techs to build carriers or transports...

 

[totallycres]

I think we should have ur Maoi city on the hill right next to the Iron, so that we can bget the pigs, Iron, Fish and Flood plains, making it an awesome site. So that would be the 6th city and that would mean that it is best for us to settle where the xbow and settler are already.

There is no getting "pigs, iron, fish" in one city. I do not understand.

think we need to road towards Babylon so that we can get some much needed foreign trade routes and when we do get them, I think it might be good to get Currency, since we will get better results, but right now it is not needed, since we have no foreign routes. Getting Jaoa would be awesome.

I'll add a road to Hammi to my PPP.

Here is a crazy thought, but we are at threat of attacks from the barbs, so why don't we build a carrier, so that we can attack the galleys? All we need to do is mine the uranium and we can build ourselves a carrier to defend our waters and to scout the world. How does that idea sound?

We might need fission to use the uranium for a nuclear powered carrier. Anyone know?

 

[totallycres]

Settling decision is tricky. I would prefer in place so that maoi city gets iron...but we might be too slow for pig city spot...so I am not sure. I would take the risk though and settle in place and try to acceletrate settler as much as possible.

Settler will be top priority in Sparta.

If you get metal casting in a deal then build a tririme and try to kill any galley that comes on coast, kill then retreat to city..so we get a promoted tririme that can do some damage...first strikes are awesome in tririmes vs galleys..

Will do.

Also don't forget to put a forest preserve in the forest east past capital BFC so we get a better chance for forest to spread on those river tiles.

Got it. Added to PPP.

 

[totallycres]

There is a way that Joao could plant to get clam, fish and pig all in one city. That is a little too far for us to grab, I think. If Joao plants another city down there before we do I will of course stop and report back here. I need a consensus on where we want Panama City.

 

[Deckhand]

I need a consensus on where we want Panama City.

I have no objections to you playing as soon as you are ready (i.e. without my vote). I will open the save tonight and reply in about 6 hours (midnite server time).

 

[Deckhand]

There is a way that Joao could plant to get clam, fish and pig all in one city. That is a little too far for us to grab, I think. If Joao plants another city down there before we do I will of course stop and report back here. I need a consensus on where we want Panama City.

That's my choice for our next city. City 5 aka Panama city, 2S of pigs; pigs, fish, clams in BFC. Only 4 lake tiles, but two more hills (and clams) than 1S of pigs. Where t69 barb archer is laying the foundation. Joao is helping to fogbust - hopefully that archer is already gone (perhaps it damaged Joao's archer). Probably take along another military unit to be safe. This can be our great person fishery.
Send missionary down there too.

Then 6th city 1S of current settler on wine.

Remember, barbarians can't spawn within two tiles of any other units. But can attack any coastal from their galleys.
Concur with idea of building trireme. If stack of galleys where two currently are, then it could move out from Thebes, sink galley, and return to Thebes in same turn.

There is a Zulu city 9 South of Angle. And another one 4 SE of it. Relocate airship to Zulu city of your choice.

 

[kcd_swede]

I believe the "No City Razing" option is in effect. So if we capture we keep or try to give away. Low quality cities that can't cover the maintenance cost increase slow us down from the race to the spaceship.

Good catch. I totally forgot about that. Hmmm... need to rethink Hammy. His good cities won't be as effective either if we do not eliminate him entirely.

 

[Deckhand]

Sparta is about to grow past happy cap - suggest two scientists and reallocate citizens to prevent growth.

 

[kcd_swede]

We might need fission to use the uranium for a nuclear powered carrier. Anyone know?

Correct. In building naval units, uranium can only be used as substitute for oil AFTER fission is discovered. Combustion comes before fission, and oil unlocks fighter planes and tanks as well.

I can go along with Panama city 2S of pigs being our next city. Follow that up by settling on wine. Remeber to check for trades of extra wine. If nobody has anything to give that we want, gift it to Joaoa for diplo.

Good luck TC!

 

[totallycres]

Ok. We now have kcd Swede and Deck advocating for rushing south for the Panama City site with 3 food. I will agree to that. We won't completely cover the isthmus with our culture there. I don't think Joao would go up the left branch of the isthmus and settle west/NW of Panama City, but I am not sure.

Tell me when we have enough votes for me to proceed. I can start playing in 10 hours at the earliest. PPP is in post #389.

 

[kcd_swede]

Ok. We now have kcd Swede and Deck advocating for rushing south for the Panama City site with 3 food. I will agree to that. We won't completely cover the isthmus with our culture there. I don't think Joao would go up the left branch of the isthmus and settle west/NW of Panama City, but I am not sure.

Tell me when we have enough votes for me to proceed. I can start playing in 10 hours at the earliest. PPP is in post #389.

Its been approx 24hrs since you posted the updated plan and asked for input, so I think you have the green light to go ahead.

I'm not so worried about Joao moving to our other site; losing Panama by settling the other first was far more likely. But anything can happen.

Good luck!

 

[totallycres]

thanks. Got it. commencing.

 

[totallycres]

Hammurabi shows WHEOOHRN when you mouse a civ in the "Declare War On" section of the diplo screen. Guess that means us he's preparing to fight? He is pleased with us, though. We have +4 with him, trade routes, etc.

Anyway, I figure it is a good stopping point. Posted the Save.

Some Highlights:

We got the circumnavigation bonus.

Pretty much the whole map is explored. It's definitely Earth-like.

Open borders with everyone. Good relations all around, pretty much.

Joao converted to Confucianism, so we did the same.

4 universities done. Two more done in a few turns.

We could have liberalism in 4 turns if we wanted.

Settler, galley, and a couple workers are waiting to settle Greenland.

Lots of cats and maces.

Here is your Session Turn Log from 1 AD to 980 AD:

Turn 75, 1 AD: The revolution has begun!!!
Turn 75, 1 AD: Pericles adopts Bureaucracy!
Turn 75, 1 AD: Zoroaster (Great Prophet) has been born in Ulundi (Shaka)!
Turn 75, 1 AD: Huayna Capac's Golden Age has begun!!!
Turn 75, 1 AD: Huayna Capac has completed The Great Lighthouse!

Turn 76, 40 AD: Mahavira (Great Prophet) has been born in Athens (Pericles)!
Turn 76, 40 AD: Stalin converts to Judaism!

Turn 77, 80 AD: You have discovered Polytheism!

Turn 78, 120 AD: You have discovered Monotheism!
Turn 78, 120 AD: Huayna Capac adopts Hereditary Rule!
Turn 78, 120 AD: Huayna Capac adopts Organized Religion!

Turn 79, 160 AD: Your maps have proven that the world is round! Your ships receive a +1 Movement bonus.

Turn 80, 200 AD: Stalin adopts Organized Religion!

Turn 82, 260 AD: Panama City has been founded.
Turn 82, 260 AD: Argos has been founded.
Turn 82, 260 AD: You have discovered Calendar!
Turn 82, 260 AD: You have discovered Paper!
Turn 82, 260 AD: Shaka has completed The Pyramids!

Turn 83, 290 AD: You have discovered Construction!

Turn 84, 320 AD: John Dalton (Great Scientist) has been born in Cuzco (Huayna Capac)!

Turn 85, 350 AD: Confucianism has spread in Évora.
Turn 85, 350 AD: Taoism has been founded in a distant land!
Turn 85, 350 AD: Joao II converts to Confucianism!
Turn 85, 350 AD: Wang Kon adopts Hereditary Rule!
Turn 85, 350 AD: Wang Kon adopts Caste System!

Turn 86, 380 AD: The revolution has begun!!!
Turn 86, 380 AD: Pericles adopts Organized Religion!

Turn 87, 410 AD: The revolution has begun!!!
Turn 87, 410 AD: Pericles converts to Confucianism!

Turn 88, 440 AD: You have discovered Horseback Riding!
Turn 88, 440 AD: You have discovered Metal Casting!

Turn 89, 470 AD: You have constructed a Forge in Athens. Work has now begun on Confucian Missionary.

Turn 90, 500 AD: Shaka converts to Buddhism!
Turn 90, 500 AD: Alhazen (Great Scientist) has been born in Guimarães (Joao II)!

Turn 94, 620 AD: Werner Heisenberg (Great Scientist) has been born in Yaroslavl' (Stalin)!
Turn 94, 620 AD: Shaka adopts Organized Religion!
Turn 94, 620 AD: Hammurabi adopts Hereditary Rule!

Turn 95, 650 AD: Confucianism has spread in Coimbra.
Turn 95, 650 AD: The borders of Thebes have expanded!
Turn 95, 650 AD: Joao II adopts Organized Religion!

Turn 98, 740 AD: Confucianism has spread in Oporto.
Turn 98, 740 AD: Confucianism has spread in Corinth.
Turn 98, 740 AD: You have discovered Currency!
Turn 98, 740 AD: Confucianism has spread in Akkad.

Turn 99, 770 AD: Pericles's Trireme (2.00) vs Barbarian'sGalley (1.66)
Turn 99, 770 AD: Combat Odds: 73.2%
Turn 99, 770 AD: (Extra Combat: +20%)
Turn 99, 770 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
Turn 99, 770 AD: (Class Attack: -50%)
Turn 99, 770 AD: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 21 (79/100HP)
Turn 99, 770 AD: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 21 (58/100HP)
Turn 99, 770 AD: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 21 (37/100HP)
Turn 99, 770 AD: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 21 (16/100HP)
Turn 99, 770 AD: Pericles's Trireme is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 99, 770 AD: Pericles's Trireme is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
Turn 99, 770 AD: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 21 (0/100HP)
Turn 99, 770 AD: Pericles's Trireme has defeated Barbarian's Galley!
Turn 99, 770 AD: You have constructed a Granary in Panama City. Work has now begun on Moai Statues.
Turn 99, 770 AD: Hammurabi converts to Confucianism!

Turn 100, 800 AD: Confucianism has spread in Lisbon.
Turn 100, 800 AD: James Clerk Maxwell (Great Scientist) has been born in Athens (Pericles)!
Turn 100, 800 AD: Wang Kon has completed Mausoleum of Maussollos!

Turn 101, 820 AD: Athens can no longer work on Mausoleum of Maussollos. The lost ? is converted into 147?!
Turn 101, 820 AD: Joao II has completed Chichen Itza!

Turn 102, 840 AD: You have discovered Education!
Turn 102, 840 AD: Nichola Tesla (Great Engineer) has been born in Ulundi (Shaka)!

Turn 103, 860 AD: Miles Davis (Great Artist) has been born in Cuzco (Huayna Capac)!
Turn 103, 860 AD: Hammurabi has completed The Colossus!

Turn 104, 880 AD: Pericles's Trireme (2.00) vs Barbarian'sGalley (1.32)
Turn 104, 880 AD: Combat Odds: 91.8%
Turn 104, 880 AD: (Extra Combat: +20%)
Turn 104, 880 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
Turn 104, 880 AD: (Class Attack: -50%)
Turn 104, 880 AD: Pericles's Trireme is hit for 17 (83/100HP)
Turn 104, 880 AD: Pericles's Trireme is hit for 17 (66/100HP)
Turn 104, 880 AD: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 23 (57/100HP)
Turn 104, 880 AD: Pericles's Trireme is hit for 17 (49/100HP)
Turn 104, 880 AD: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 23 (34/100HP)
Turn 104, 880 AD: Pericles's Trireme is hit for 17 (32/100HP)
Turn 104, 880 AD: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 23 (11/100HP)
Turn 104, 880 AD: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 23 (0/100HP)
Turn 104, 880 AD: Pericles's Trireme has defeated Barbarian's Galley!
Turn 104, 880 AD: Confucianism has spread in Argos.
Turn 104, 880 AD: Confucianism has spread in Thebes.
Turn 104, 880 AD: Huayna Capac adopts Bureaucracy!
Turn 104, 880 AD: Confucianism has spread in Guimarães.
Turn 104, 880 AD: Christianity has been founded in Nippur!

Turn 105, 900 AD: You have discovered Philosophy!
Turn 105, 900 AD: St. Augustine (Great Prophet) has been born in Cuzco (Huayna Capac)!

Turn 106, 920 AD: Stalin adopts Hereditary Rule!
Turn 106, 920 AD: Huayna Capac has completed The Mahabodhi!

Turn 107, 940 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Argos!
Turn 107, 940 AD: New Tech(s) to trade: Huayna Capac, Wang Kon
Turn 107, 940 AD: Huayna Capac has 30 gold available for trade
Turn 107, 940 AD: Joao II has 5 gold per turn available for trade
Turn 107, 940 AD: Hammurabi has 130 gold available for trade
Turn 107, 940 AD: Confucianism has spread in Panama City.
Turn 107, 940 AD: Athens will grow to size 19 on the next turn
Turn 107, 940 AD: Sparta has grown to size 9
Turn 107, 940 AD: The borders of Argos have expanded!
Turn 107, 940 AD: Argos will grow to size 7 on the next turn
Turn 107, 940 AD: Panama City's cultural boundary is about to expand.
Turn 107, 940 AD: A Forest has grown near Argos!

Turn 108, 960 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Argos!
Turn 108, 960 AD: Stalin has 4 gold per turn available for trade
Turn 108, 960 AD: Shaka has 30 gold available for trade
Turn 108, 960 AD: Shaka has 6 gold per turn available for trade
Turn 108, 960 AD: Huayna Capac has 60 gold available for trade
Turn 108, 960 AD: Joao II has 30 gold available for trade
Turn 108, 960 AD: Wang Kon has 30 gold available for trade
Turn 108, 960 AD: Wang Kon has 4 gold per turn available for trade
Turn 108, 960 AD: Hammurabi has 140 gold available for trade
Turn 108, 960 AD: You have discovered Engineering!
Turn 108, 960 AD: Athens has grown to size 19
Turn 108, 960 AD: The borders of Panama City have expanded!
Turn 108, 960 AD: Argos has grown to size 7
Turn 108, 960 AD: Notre Dame has been built in a far away land!

Turn 109, 980 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Thebes!
Turn 109, 980 AD: Joao II has 170 gold available for trade
Turn 109, 980 AD: Joao II has 4 gold per turn available for trade

 

[totallycres]

Research begun: Paper (577 Turns)

IBT:
Attitude Change: Stalin(Russia) towards Huayna Capac(Inca), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'
Civics Change: Pericles(Greece) from 'Barbarism' to 'Bureaucracy'

Turn 76/330 (40 AD) [20-May-2009 19:01:40]
Athens begins: Worker (2 turns)
Sparta begins: Settler (5 turns)
Athens finishes: Worker
Mahavira (Great Prophet) born in Athens
Sparta's borders expand
Corinth finishes: Granary
Thebes grows: 2

IBT:
State Religion Change: Stalin(Russia) from 'no State Religion' to 'Judaism'
Attitude Change: Stalin(Russia) towards Pericles(Greece), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Stalin(Russia) towards Wang Kon(Korea), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Huayna Capac(Inca) towards Stalin(Russia), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'

Turn 77/330 (80 AD) [20-May-2009 19:12:27]
Tech learned: Polytheism
A Winery was built near Thebes
Athens begins: Worker (1 turns)
Corinth begins: Barracks (7 turns)
Athens finishes: Worker
Corinth grows: 3

IBT:
Attitude Change: Shaka(Zululand) towards Pericles(Greece), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Turn 78/330 (120 AD) [20-May-2009 19:37:50]
Athens begins: Settler (2 turns)
Athens begins: Maceman (2 turns)
Tech learned: Monotheism
Athens finishes: Maceman
Sparta grows: 4
Sparta finishes: Settler

IBT:
Attitude Change: Huayna Capac(Inca) towards Joao II(Portugal), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Joao II(Portugal) towards Huayna Capac(Inca), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Civics Change: Huayna Capac(Inca) from 'Police State' to 'Hereditary Rule'
Civics Change: Huayna Capac(Inca) from 'Paganism' to 'Organized Religion'

Turn 79/330 (160 AD) [20-May-2009 19:48:57]
A Pasture was built near Thebes
Athens begins: Worker (1 turns)
Athens finishes: Worker
Sparta finishes: Barracks

IBT:
Attitude Change: Wang Kon(Korea) towards Shaka(Zululand), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'

Turn 80/330 (200 AD) [20-May-2009 19:54:47]
A Forest Preserve was built near Sparta
Athens begins: Maceman (2 turns)
Sparta begins: Maceman (7 turns)
Sparta grows: 5
Corinth finishes: Barracks

IBT:
Attitude Change: Stalin(Russia) towards Huayna Capac(Inca), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Wang Kon(Korea) towards Shaka(Zululand), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'
Civics Change: Stalin(Russia) from 'Paganism' to 'Organized Religion'

Turn 81/330 (230 AD) [20-May-2009 20:03:00]
A Forest Preserve was built near Athens
A Forest Preserve was built near Sparta
Corinth begins: Maceman (4 turns)
Athens grows: 15
Athens finishes: Maceman
Sparta grows: 6
Thebes grows: 3

IBT:
Attitude Change: Stalin(Russia) towards Huayna Capac(Inca), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'

Turn 82/330 (260 AD) [20-May-2009 20:10:18]
Argos founded
Argos founded
Athens begins: Confucian Temple (2 turns)
Panama City begins: Granary (40 turns)
Argos begins: Granary (20 turns)
Tech learned: Calendar
Tech learned: Paper
Athens finishes: Confucian Temple

IBT:

Turn 83/330 (290 AD) [20-May-2009 20:17:43]
Research begun: Metal Casting (6 Turns)
Athens begins: Spy (1 turns)
Tech learned: Construction
Athens finishes: Spy
Sparta grows: 7
Sparta finishes: Maceman
Corinth's borders expand

IBT:
Attitude Change: Stalin(Russia) towards Wang Kon(Korea), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'
Attitude Change: Wang Kon(Korea) towards Pericles(Greece), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Turn 84/330 (320 AD) [20-May-2009 20:25:11]
A Farm was built near Corinth
A Farm was built near Thebes
Athens begins: Catapult (1 turns)
Sparta begins: Odeon (4 turns)
Athens finishes: Catapult
Corinth grows: 4
Corinth finishes: Maceman
Thebes finishes: Granary
Panama City's borders expand
Argos's borders expand

IBT:
Attitude Change: Stalin(Russia) towards Wang Kon(Korea), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'

Turn 85/330 (350 AD) [20-May-2009 20:31:07]
A Mine was built near Corinth
Confucianism has spread: Évora (Portuguese Empire)
Athens begins: Worker (1 turns)
Corinth begins: Catapult (3 turns)
Thebes begins: Barracks (7 turns)
Athens finishes: Worker
Thebes grows: 4

IBT:
Taoism founded in a distant land
State Religion Change: Joao II(Portugal) from 'no State Religion' to 'Confucianism'
Attitude Change: Shaka(Zululand) towards Wang Kon(Korea), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'
Attitude Change: Huayna Capac(Inca) towards Joao II(Portugal), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Joao II(Portugal) towards Pericles(Greece), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Joao II(Portugal) towards Huayna Capac(Inca), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'
Civics Change: Wang Kon(Korea) from 'Police State' to 'Hereditary Rule'
Civics Change: Wang Kon(Korea) from 'Slavery' to 'Caste System'

Turn 86/330 (380 AD) [20-May-2009 20:37:17]
Athens begins: Catapult (1 turns)

IBT:
Civics Change: Pericles(Greece) from 'Paganism' to 'Organized Religion'

Turn 87/330 (410 AD) [20-May-2009 20:43:16]

IBT:
State Religion Change: Pericles(Greece) from 'no State Religion' to 'Confucianism'
Attitude Change: Huayna Capac(Inca) towards Pericles(Greece), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'
Attitude Change: Wang Kon(Korea) towards Pericles(Greece), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'

Turn 88/330 (440 AD) [20-May-2009 20:47:24]
A Forest Preserve was built
Athens begins: Confucian Missionary (1 turns)
Athens begins: Confucian Missionary (1 turns)
Athens begins: Confucian Missionary (1 turns)
Tech learned: Horseback Riding
Tech learned: Metal Casting
Athens grows: 16
Athens finishes: Confucian Missionary
Sparta finishes: Odeon

IBT:

Turn 89/330 (470 AD) [20-May-2009 20:50:38]
A Pasture was built near Argos
Research begun: Education (11 Turns)
Sparta begins: Catapult (4 turns)
Athens begins: Forge (2 turns)
Athens finishes: Forge
Sparta grows: 8
Corinth grows: 5
Corinth finishes: Catapult
Thebes finishes: Barracks
Argos grows: 2

IBT:
Attitude Change: Wang Kon(Korea) towards Pericles(Greece), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Turn 90/330 (500 AD) [20-May-2009 20:55:20]
A Pasture was built near Panama City
Corinth begins: Granary (3 turns)
Thebes begins: Maceman (8 turns)
Athens finishes: Confucian Missionary
Thebes grows: 4
Panama City grows: 2

IBT:
State Religion Change: Shaka(Zululand) from 'no State Religion' to 'Buddhism'

Turn 91/330 (530 AD) [20-May-2009 20:57:42]
Athens begins: Confucian Missionary (1 turns)
Athens grows: 17
Athens finishes: Confucian Missionary
Sparta grows: 9
Sparta finishes: Catapult

IBT:
Attitude Change: Huayna Capac(Inca) towards Pericles(Greece), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Wang Kon(Korea) towards Pericles(Greece), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'

Turn 92/330 (560 AD) [20-May-2009 21:01:15]
A Forest Preserve was built near Thebes
A Farm was built near Thebes
A Forest Preserve was built near Corinth
Athens begins: Worker (1 turns)
Sparta begins: Catapult (4 turns)
Athens finishes: Worker
Corinth finishes: Granary
Thebes finishes: Maceman

IBT:

Turn 93/330 (590 AD) [20-May-2009 21:05:16]
A Mine was built near Argos
A Forest Preserve was built near Argos
A Forest Preserve was built near Corinth
Athens begins: Spy (1 turns)
Corinth begins: Library (3 turns)
Thebes begins: Library (5 turns)
Athens finishes: Spy
Thebes grows: 5
Panama City grows: 3

IBT:

Turn 94/330 (620 AD) [20-May-2009 21:09:16]
A Forest Preserve was built near Thebes
Athens begins: Worker (1 turns)
Athens begins: Catapult (1 turns)
Athens finishes: Catapult
Corinth finishes: Library
Thebes finishes: Library
Argos grows: 3
Argos finishes: Granary

IBT:
Attitude Change: Stalin(Russia) towards Huayna Capac(Inca), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Huayna Capac(Inca) towards Hammurabi(Babylon), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Civics Change: Shaka(Zululand) from 'Paganism' to 'Organized Religion'
Civics Change: Hammurabi(Babylon) from 'Police State' to 'Hereditary Rule'

Turn 95/330 (650 AD) [20-May-2009 21:16:03]
Thebes begins: Trireme (4 turns)
Confucianism has spread: Coimbra (Portuguese Empire)
Athens begins: Catapult (1 turns)
Corinth begins: Catapult (2 turns)
Argos begins: Barracks (6 turns)
Athens finishes: Catapult
Sparta finishes: Catapult
Corinth grows: 6
Thebes's borders expand

IBT:
Attitude Change: Wang Kon(Korea) towards Stalin(Russia), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Civics Change: Joao II(Portugal) from 'Paganism' to 'Organized Religion'

Turn 96/330 (680 AD) [20-May-2009 21:20:51]
A Mine was built near Panama City
A Farm was built near Argos
Athens begins: Confucian Missionary (1 turns)
Sparta begins: Maceman (5 turns)
Sparta begins: Trireme (4 turns)
Athens finishes: Confucian Missionary
Sparta grows: 10
Corinth finishes: Catapult
Thebes grows: 6

IBT:

Turn 97/330 (710 AD) [20-May-2009 21:24:24]
Research begun: Engineering (63 Turns)
Research begun: Philosophy (51 Turns)
Research begun: Education (51 Turns)
Research begun: Liberalism (51 Turns)
Research begun: Education (78 Turns)
Research begun: Currency (4 Turns)
Athens begins: Maceman (1 turns)
Corinth begins: Maceman (3 turns)
Athens finishes: Maceman
Panama City grows: 4

IBT:

Turn 98/330 (740 AD) [20-May-2009 21:29:05]
Confucianism has spread: Oporto (Portuguese Empire)
A Forest Preserve was built near Thebes
A Forest Preserve was built near Thebes
Confucianism has spread: Corinth
Athens begins: Maceman (1 turns)
Tech learned: Currency
Athens finishes: Maceman
Sparta finishes: Trireme
Corinth finishes: Maceman
Thebes finishes: Trireme
Argos grows: 4

IBT:
Confucianism has spread: Akkad (Babylonian Empire)

Turn 99/330 (770 AD) [20-May-2009 21:32:14]
Panama City begins: Moai Statues (34 turns)
While attacking in Greek territory at Thebes, Trireme defeats (1.28/2): Barbarian Galley (Prob Victory: 73.2%)
A Forest Preserve was built near Argos
A Quarry was built
A Forest Preserve was built near Argos
A Forest Preserve was built near Corinth
Research begun: Education (4 Turns)
Athens begins: Confucian Missionary (1 turns)
Sparta begins: Galley (4 turns)
Corinth begins: Confucian Missionary (2 turns)
Thebes begins: Trireme (3 turns)
Corinth begins: Maceman (3 turns)
Thebes begins: Maceman (5 turns)
Athens begins: Maceman (1 turns)
Athens finishes: Maceman
Thebes grows: 7
Panama City finishes: Granary
Argos finishes: Barracks

IBT:
A Mine was destroyed near Corinth
State Religion Change: Hammurabi(Babylon) from 'no State Religion' to 'Confucianism'
Attitude Change: Huayna Capac(Inca) towards Hammurabi(Babylon), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Wang Kon(Korea) towards Hammurabi(Babylon), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Hammurabi(Babylon) towards Pericles(Greece), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Hammurabi(Babylon) towards Wang Kon(Korea), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'

Turn 100/330 (800 AD) [20-May-2009 21:41:52]
Trireme promoted: Drill I
A Mine was built near Santarém
Confucianism has spread: Lisbon (Portuguese Empire)
Athens begins: Mausoleum of Maussollos (5 turns)
Argos begins: Maceman (4 turns)
Athens grows: 18
James Clerk Maxwell (Great Scientist) born in Athens
Sparta grows: 11
Argos grows: 5

IBT:

Turn 101/330 (820 AD) [20-May-2009 22:03:24]
Sparta finishes: Galley
Corinth grows: 7
Corinth finishes: Maceman
Panama City grows: 4

IBT:
Attitude Change: Hammurabi(Babylon) towards Pericles(Greece), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'

Turn 102/330 (840 AD) [20-May-2009 22:11:31]
Tech learned: Education
Athens begins: Confucian Missionary (1 turns)
Sparta begins: Settler (6 turns)
Corinth begins: Confucian Missionary (2 turns)
Research begun: Philosophy (7 Turns)
Research begun: Liberalism (7 Turns)
Athens finishes: Confucian Missionary
Corinth finishes: Confucian Missionary
Thebes finishes: Maceman
Argos finishes: Maceman

IBT:

Turn 103/330 (860 AD) [20-May-2009 22:18:02]
A Mine was built near Corinth
Athens begins: Confucian Missionary (1 turns)
Corinth begins: Maceman (3 turns)
Thebes begins: Maceman (4 turns)
Argos begins: Maceman (3 turns)
Athens finishes: Confucian Missionary

IBT:

Turn 104/330 (880 AD) [20-May-2009 22:21:17]
While attacking in Greek territory near Panama City, Trireme defeats (0.64/2): Barbarian Galley (Prob Victory: 91.8%)
Confucianism has spread: Argos
Confucianism has spread: Thebes
Athens begins: University (2 turns)
Athens finishes: University
Sparta finishes: Settler
Argos grows: 6

IBT:
Confucianism has spread: Guimarães (Portuguese Empire)
Christianity founded in a distant land
Civics Change: Huayna Capac(Inca) from 'Barbarism' to 'Bureaucracy'

Turn 105/330 (900 AD) [20-May-2009 22:27:13]
A Mine was built near Panama City
A Forest Preserve was built near Athens
Athens begins: Catapult (1 turns)
Sparta begins: Work Boat (2 turns)
Sparta begins: University (8 turns)
Tech learned: Philosophy
Athens finishes: Catapult
Corinth finishes: Maceman
Thebes grows: 8
Panama City grows: 5
Argos finishes: Maceman

IBT:
Attitude Change: Shaka(Zululand) towards Hammurabi(Babylon), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'
Attitude Change: Huayna Capac(Inca) towards Stalin(Russia), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Huayna Capac(Inca) towards Wang Kon(Korea), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Huayna Capac(Inca) towards Hammurabi(Babylon), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'
Attitude Change: Wang Kon(Korea) towards Hammurabi(Babylon), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Turn 106/330 (920 AD) [20-May-2009 22:31:13]
A Forest Preserve was built near Argos
A Watermill was built near Panama City
Corinth begins: University (4 turns)
Argos begins: Library (2 turns)
Thebes finishes: Maceman

IBT:
Civics Change: Stalin(Russia) from 'Police State' to 'Hereditary Rule'

Turn 107/330 (940 AD) [20-May-2009 22:35:53]
Thebes begins: University (6 turns)
Athens begins: Odeon (1 turns)
Athens begins: Market (2 turns)
A Forest Preserve was built near Argos
Confucianism has spread: Panama City
Sparta grows: 9
Argos's borders expand
Argos finishes: Library

IBT:
Attitude Change: Wang Kon(Korea) towards Pericles(Greece), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Turn 108/330 (960 AD) [20-May-2009 22:41:26]
Tech learned: Engineering
Argos begins: University (5 turns)
Athens grows: 19
Athens finishes: Market
Sparta finishes: University
Corinth finishes: University
Panama City's borders expand
Argos grows: 7

 

[Deckhand]

Excellent. Good job. Lots of progress and catching up on turns played.

Hammurabi shows WHEOOHRN when you mouse a civ in the "Declare War On" section of the diplo screen. Guess that means us he's preparing to fight? He is pleased with us, though. We have +4 with him, trade routes, etc.

He is Cautious with us (and Wang) now.

classical_hero - up, kcd_swede - on deck; then: Steelhorse, vra379971, Deckhand; Indiansmoke, totallycres
But, are we ready for attack on Hammy now? So, is Indiansmoke up?

 

[Indiansmoke]

Well not sure what happened here....I thought we were preparing for war but we are 33 turns down the line building wonders, spies, libraries, markets...adopting organized religion...

I am not saying this is all wrong, could well be the way to do things..... but this is not what we discussed is it...33 turns for quick speed is rather alot...will have to look at the save to see the situation.

 

[totallycres]

Well not sure what happened here....I thought we were preparing for war but we are 33 turns down the line building wonders, spies, libraries, markets...adopting organized religion...

I am not saying this is all wrong, could well be the way to do things..... but this is not what we discussed is it...33 turns for quick speed is rather alot...will have to look at the save to see the situation.

You'll see the maces and cats when you log in. There is a central stack, then there are some around the map that could be pulled to the front if you need them. All the airships are in waiting Hammi's cities. I put signs with locations/counts of his units.

33 turns got us back into the middle of the pack of other SGotM teams, year-wise.

Only Wonder I attempted was ... We had a shot at Maussallos(sp?) in 4 turns, took it for 2 turns, lost the race.

Libraries are prereqs for universities, right? Education and cheap unis were noted in the PPP.

The cap's production is awesome. With some overflow from a previous build of a cat, you can do some one-turn maces.

 

[totallycres]

Well not sure what happened here....I thought we were preparing for war but we are 33 turns down the line building wonders, spies, libraries, markets...adopting organized religion...

I am not saying this is all wrong, could well be the way to do things..... but this is not what we discussed is it...33 turns for quick speed is rather alot...will have to look at the save to see the situation.

Monasteries cannot be built, so I switched to org reli to get missionaries. Got both Hammurabi and Joao into our religion.

Market in cap took two turns. Uni took one. Library took one. Spies took one turn.

re: spies. We had poisonings, destroyed uranium mine, a destroyed granary. I put spies in the cities that were getting sabotaged. Even caught some enemy spies!

A note on the Diplo/tech situation. H. Capac is the only tech competitor and he was VERY protective of his technologies. The tech situation was mostly us bringing along the other civs with gifts (everyone but Hammi), and Mr. Capac getting mad techy with it in his 3 cities. He has not expanded much into Australia. When people demanded World Maps or techs I gave in (except not Hammi, and not electricity)