It works that way in the World Builder and I do think I read about it (can't find that now of course
)I still believe in Rel/Dom
SGOTM 16 - Xteam
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It works that way in the World Builder and I do think I read about it (can't find that now of course
)I still believe in Rel/Dom
Htadus
A and L's dad
Nice set MP.
CP, I think our VC goal should be Domination and Religion. We can actually get everyone our friend if we Switch to Buddhism ourself Then we can get another tech trade partner in Sal. Gifting a missionary using a damaged caraval should work with both Sal and Hammy to infect them with AP religion. We have time to experiment that if we do it sooner for a cost of 2 missianaries. And if it does not work we can give Sal Borisppa after infecting it and Sippar to Hammy. We can use a missionary to infect SB the normal way.
If we so chooses to switch to Budhism, then we must infect our 3 culture cities and any cities we want to use for GP generation (using Paci) with Buddhism. It will guarantee that we do not end up with too much votes we have as of right now. Then we go after any non Budhist civ for the needed land for Domi and get others involved. That would be Qin. This would also give us some + diplo from the AI.
I recommend that we infect the HE city or Vienne or both with the Corp executives to help speed the spread. That way the 2 main cities can focus on the Culture. Are we considering running Pacifism at all?
BTW several cities need to switch the specialists to artist including the HE city. BTW we should consider either running many artists in HE city or convert some of the land to make it a super production city.
Also should we not move the GE to Bibracte for Mining Inc?
CP, I think our VC goal should be Domination and Religion. We can actually get everyone our friend if we Switch to Buddhism ourself Then we can get another tech trade partner in Sal. Gifting a missionary using a damaged caraval should work with both Sal and Hammy to infect them with AP religion. We have time to experiment that if we do it sooner for a cost of 2 missianaries. And if it does not work we can give Sal Borisppa after infecting it and Sippar to Hammy. We can use a missionary to infect SB the normal way.
If we so chooses to switch to Budhism, then we must infect our 3 culture cities and any cities we want to use for GP generation (using Paci) with Buddhism. It will guarantee that we do not end up with too much votes we have as of right now. Then we go after any non Budhist civ for the needed land for Domi and get others involved. That would be Qin. This would also give us some + diplo from the AI.
I recommend that we infect the HE city or Vienne or both with the Corp executives to help speed the spread. That way the 2 main cities can focus on the Culture. Are we considering running Pacifism at all?
BTW several cities need to switch the specialists to artist including the HE city. BTW we should consider either running many artists in HE city or convert some of the land to make it a super production city.
Also should we not move the GE to Bibracte for Mining Inc?
Mad Professor
Deity
Yes the AI value duplicate corporation resources around 7gpt instead of around 25gpt for the regular resource. So we could get three fish/clam/crab for one resource the AI doesn't have any of that will give the AI a health or happy. So any AI that has duplicate fish/clam/crab will start dishing them out to us pretty fast if we can provide them with resources they don't yet have.
Yes they were at war until the end I think. One of our airships spotted a significant Hammy stack near the Chines border that looked like it was coming south in the turn before the war ended so it is possible that he was switching his main attention to us at that point, but I'm not sure - they could have just been on their way from Chengdu to Beijing via his own territory also because when he owned Chengdu more tiles up there were Babylonian and not Chinese so that might have been the quick route. We probably got through Hammy quicker because he was occupied up there.
Cactus Pete said:
Religious is also possible if we can infect everyone with Christianity.
Htadus said:
I presume you're thinking for the purposes of producing G-Artists? We need to be sure about what our bottle neck is. Is the bottle neck going to be culture or is it going to be teching to FT1? If it's teching to FT1, then leaving scientists on might be be more valuable. I haven't sat down to carefully do the math though. Our G-Age is really kicking the tech rate along. When we fall out of G-Age, the tech will grind a bit slower, and so will the G-Person production.
Htadus said:
Whatever cities we choose, they must be high production cities, most importantly the first one that this first Sushi exec now being produced in Bibracte will go to - otherwise out corp exec production will be severely affected.
Also, health and happy issues may come to bite us once Sushi is spread around. I've played games with Sushi a few times and once you have a big list of seafood resources, the cities grow like there is no tomorrow - you hit happy caps very fast indeed. It also gets expensive, so getting Wall Street done in Bibracte is important to help offset that. With Wall Street each new city with Sushi will be +12 gold which goes a long way towards offsetting the cost in the cities running Sushi.
Also, any city with a corp must also build a courthouse. I notice Paris does not yet have a courthouse - so far it has not been necessary because it;s the capital, but when we put Sushi or Mning Inc in there, it will really hurt us if we don't have a courthouse.
Htadus said:
Yes, Mining Inc should be also founded in Bibracte with Wall Street present. The GE should be moved there, though we have a few turns spare before we get to Railroad for the GE to get there from Paris.
This is only needed if we don't have Open Borders
Hammy is no problem, he's our vassal!
He'll do what we ask more or less. We should gift him up to Economics and make him switch to Free Market (improving our trade routes) and OR.We are Buddhist and have way to many votes so we need to infect all of Hammys cities and some more to bring our own percentage down below 75%. Vassals will always vote with their master.
We should also make Rams convert to Buddhism, making us the only candidate for Rel Victory and get his votes.
Let's settle the islands and see how much land we have
Isn't the AP Christian? If so, is it not the number of Christian votes that counts. 
The-Hawk
Old Original Geezer
I was just babbling. I'm wondering if we've messed up by not producing enough GAs. However, this only matters if culture is the critical path. If it turns out research is the long pole in the tent, then we won't need GA's anyhow.
The-Hawk
Old Original Geezer
It works that way in the World Builder and I do think I read about it (can't find that now of course
I tried this as well. You can not spread your religion to the AI, but if you gift the missionary, it appears they can use it and spread the religion. I am surprised.
Any word on extending the game's time limit?
Htadus, why would it be important to gift a missionary in a "DAMAGED" caravel?
Htadus, why would it be important to gift a missionary in a "DAMAGED" caravel?
Yes, it was approved to 31 Jan.
Please see the link posted by z3 located here. The link in z3's post takes you to Kakumeika's SGOTM15 thread where they figured out how to spread religion to a civ in theology. Interesting.
Isn't the AP Christian? If so, is it not the number of Christian votes that counts.
Yes - and if you run Christianity as your state religion the number is doubled.
What I was trying to say was that, we are not even Christian and still have way too many votes
Hey Guys, i'd really like to play but after looking at the save, i think it'll be better to skip me. I couldn't play a turn of Civ4 since mid november so i'm pretty rusty and with the timeline as a factor i think it'd make more sense to let somebody pick it up, who is up to date on every little aspect of the save and doesn't need a week to finish a set.
Htadus
A and L's dad
Yes - and if you run Christianity as your state religion the number is doubled.
What I was trying to say was that, we are not even Christian and still have way too many votes
Thank you for pointing out about AP religion. OK that is a problem. Need to look at the file and see if there is a way around for that other than infecting all remaining AI cities that we do not plan to claim to our empire with Christianity.
Thanks for letting us know. Not sure I'm any better off, but here we go.Hey Guys, i'd really like to play but after looking at the save, i think it'll be better to skip me. I couldn't play a turn of Civ4 since mid november so i'm pretty rusty and with the timeline as a factor i think it'd make more sense to let somebody pick it up, who is up to date on every little aspect of the save and doesn't need a week to finish a set.
Updated Roster:
leif - UP
Cactus Pete - On Deck
Htadus
zamint3
The-Hawk
Mad Professor
Undecided
Frederiksberg - retired but not forgotten.
Will try to get a plan together this evening.
Looks like a lot of Sushi Execs and some Christian Missionaries to send around, along with infrastructure and keeping tech rate up.
edit - keep those ideas coming.
The-Hawk
Old Original Geezer
I was listening to the All Blacks chanting the haka. Hard to understand, but I think they are chanting:
Uga Bawa Segu Yaha Leif Leif Baga Wana Coco Caca
Uga Bawa Segu Yaha Leif Leif Baga Wana Coco Caca
Clearly, that's what they're chanting.
Thanks for the link, leif. Very strange. Do I understand correctly that, only if the caravel with missionary aboard is damaged, will the caravel be allowed into the city of an AI with no Open Borders?
Thanks for the link, leif. Very strange. Do I understand correctly that, only if the caravel with missionary aboard is damaged, will the caravel be allowed into the city of an AI with no Open Borders?
As I understand it: We can't sail the caravel into an AI city, but if we gift them the wounded caravel and it has the right coding from upgrade from trireme, the AI will move it into a city for healing and thereby allow the missionary to disembark the caravel
Got it. Thanks, Z.
Questions:
What do we want to have for our third Corporation? Std. Ethanol? Mass Media is not on the beeline to FT1.
Rocketry is on the beeline and Aluminum Co. requires a Great Scientist, so perhaps we should go for that, found it out of the way and not spread it (competes with Mining Inc.)?
Plan, sort of (not sure where to start ):
Tech path - To Railroad, to found Mining Inc. then head for Radio and Eiffel Tower? (will we get free Broadcast Towers without Mass Media?)
Try to keep research rate up to move up the tech tree.
Corporations: Spread Sid Sushi to Sugar and then Wine and around our core, then outwards to former Celtia and Egypt, over to Babylon. Essentially the same for Mining Inc.
Civics: Change to Slavery to whip Sid Execs, then back to caste as GA closes.
Great People Production - should focus on Great Artists. Should we do this to the exclusion of Great Scientists to support tech rate? As Sid Sushi fueled city growth gets close to happy cap, hire Artists to keep culture growing and get Great Artists. Should we consider a switch to Pacifism?
Culture - need to build some Taoist Temples to support construction of Taoist Pagodas in both Wheat and Sheep. Need to keep Artists working in our cities, especially in Wheat and Sheep.
War - Put the swords down for now.
edit -
Trade - for all Sushi resources we can, and settle cities to pick them up.
What else do we need to worry about.
What do we want to have for our third Corporation? Std. Ethanol? Mass Media is not on the beeline to FT1.
Rocketry is on the beeline and Aluminum Co. requires a Great Scientist, so perhaps we should go for that, found it out of the way and not spread it (competes with Mining Inc.)?
Plan, sort of (not sure where to start
):Tech path - To Railroad, to found Mining Inc. then head for Radio and Eiffel Tower? (will we get free Broadcast Towers without Mass Media?)
Try to keep research rate up to move up the tech tree.
Corporations: Spread Sid Sushi to Sugar and then Wine and around our core, then outwards to former Celtia and Egypt, over to Babylon. Essentially the same for Mining Inc.
Civics: Change to Slavery to whip Sid Execs, then back to caste as GA closes.
Great People Production - should focus on Great Artists. Should we do this to the exclusion of Great Scientists to support tech rate? As Sid Sushi fueled city growth gets close to happy cap, hire Artists to keep culture growing and get Great Artists. Should we consider a switch to Pacifism?
Culture - need to build some Taoist Temples to support construction of Taoist Pagodas in both Wheat and Sheep. Need to keep Artists working in our cities, especially in Wheat and Sheep.
War - Put the swords down for now.
edit -
Trade - for all Sushi resources we can, and settle cities to pick them up.
What else do we need to worry about.
The-Hawk
Old Original Geezer
I have not had a chance to look at the save so I am unclear on the religious situation. Sounds like we got a little overzealous with our religious spread and Sushi will make it worse. Maybe someone can do a head count and see how many AI cities we need to infect.
I would definitely keep focusing on culture in all three cities just in case.
If we haven't already, keep grabbing seafood sites.
I don't think it matters which corp we found. As long as it is on the path to FT1 and we have a GP.
Tech to mining sounds right. IIRC, we have quite a few hammers from it already.
I would focus on GA's. I still suspect we will get to FT1 before legendary. Mining Inc will help as we will be able to build wealth. Bulbs will only save 2-3 turns, culture bombs will probably be worth more.
I would definitely keep focusing on culture in all three cities just in case.
If we haven't already, keep grabbing seafood sites.
I don't think it matters which corp we found. As long as it is on the path to FT1 and we have a GP.
Tech to mining sounds right. IIRC, we have quite a few hammers from it already.
I would focus on GA's. I still suspect we will get to FT1 before legendary. Mining Inc will help as we will be able to build wealth. Bulbs will only save 2-3 turns, culture bombs will probably be worth more.
This is a good idea. I'm not very knowledgeable of religious vc's.
