SGOTM 18 - The Shawshank Redemption

ingentingg · Dec 18, 2013

Would you like me to upload the game? I've hired max number of spies, and run the slider at 100% espionage, but still finish Fascism in 1 turn. We could revolt to nationhood this turn, but then we have to calculate. I guess some of the research is from spy specialists.

I should probably build some more spies (We currently have 69). I could build spies in all cities around Lair till I don't finish Fascism in 1 turn. Would you like me to upload the game?

Mitchum · Dec 18, 2013

Please upload it. I'll take a quick ~~pee~~ peek. I would say that we don't switch civics just yet but wait until next turn.

Mitchum · Dec 18, 2013

Yes, I'd say to go ahead and build maybe 6? more spies (depending on how many close-by cities can finish one in a single turn. It's overkill but again, if we can afford it while still meeting all of our other goals, we should go ahead and do it just to be safe. We only have one shot at getting Swingers Pad to legendary.

ingentingg · Dec 18, 2013

I think Kaku whipped some paratroopers

Real paused game

Spoiler :

Mitchum · Dec 18, 2013

Things look great. :goodjob:

We need a Railroad spur going up to Sugar. We also need one at Cap-W on the marble (looks like 2 workers are right there ready to go). We also need a few right around Dye to make the trip for a paratrooper 10-tiles or less.

We have 68 spies. I'd build them in Swingers Pad, Culture, Dhoomville, Ulundi, and Ivory. That will give us 5 more. Of course, you may have to readjust the slider to get Fascism in one turn.

Can you do a flyover of the Lair before you upload after playing this turn so that we can assess the paratrooper situation?

Mitchum · Dec 18, 2013

Mansa adopted Emancipation and we are about to shrink in Members Only. Work some more food there...

Mitchum · Dec 18, 2013

I'm assuming that we won the Secretary General vote and that both Mansa voted for us and Gandhi voted for himself, right?

EDIT: I can see that we are the Secretary General on the F8 Resolutions tab.

Mitchum · Dec 18, 2013

We may as well trade Gandhi something for Democracy + all of his gold + him adopting Representation so that he can't revolt to Emancipation himself IBT.

ingentingg · Dec 18, 2013

Yes we won the election. Members only have 3 unhappy faces, it's OK that it shrinks. I will build those railways. We have more than enough workers so it shouldn't be a problem. I'll continue in 20 minutes. Is it okay that I play one more turn after fascism is in?

Mitchum · Dec 18, 2013

ingentingg said:
Is it okay that I play one more turn after fascism is in?

I'd wait. Let's assess the paratrooper plan first because if you advance the turn one more time, it will be too late to make adjustments.

I'm fine if you pause, upload, discuss, plan and then play another turn. But I definitely would like to look at the save before we whip a bunch of paratroopers on T176 or even change civics on that turn.

Mitchum · Dec 18, 2013

There's no reason to rush it right at this moment. We have 6 turns to play and a day and a half to get it done. Like I said, if we can quickly agree on what to do, I'm fine with you playing another turn or two.

I'm going to do a bit of spy/spread culture testing while you advance the game one turn.

ingentingg · Dec 18, 2013

I'm playing one more turn now.

ingentingg · Dec 18, 2013

We have fascism.
There are 18 units in Lair.
I started all the paratroopers. We have to dry whip them cause many of them will not be build in 1 turn.
We have 13408 EP on Joao and are making 2790 /turn at the moment. This will shrink when we leave the Golden age. All the railroads and the fort are ready.
I traded Democracy+ representation for steel and physics with Ghandi.

I won't play more turns.
Good luck. If you want you may finish it tonight. Let's finish it 1 day before the deadline for a change.

Real paused game

Game log

Spoiler :

Mitchum · Dec 18, 2013

Do you have any suggested stopping points for me in case something pops up and we need to reassess things?

My general plan would be:

- Follow the paratrooper buildup plan as I outlined earlier today.
- Any city not building troops will build Wealth so that we can keep our EP slider at 100%.
- Hire max spy specialists to keep EPs at their max.
- Revolt to Police State, Nationalism and Slavery this turn.
- Finish the palace in Culture in the next turn or two.
- Gift the Pad and Karakorum on T178 per the plan.
- Maybe build another spy or two near the Pad for good luck.

Did I miss anything?

I am still checking out the spread culture stuff to make sure that I have it wired. I also need to revisit the EP situation to ensure that we'll have enough but it shouldn't be an issue.

Should I gift Gandhi MM to obsolete the AP? We don't need anything else from it and it could stop the war with Evil and lose us +1, so I'd rather be done with it. Can you think of a reason to keep it alive?

Mitchum · Dec 18, 2013

Everything looks great! :goodjob:

I can't build too many more spies because cities are building paratroopers. No biggie. We've got 73 in Swingers Pad already.

Evil now has knights. So instead of a lot of wimpy chariots and HAs, we'll face a few knights. We should still be more than fine.

Mitchum · Dec 18, 2013

Got it!

Just letting everyone know because I'm starting to remove some signs from the map to clear things up. I'm also messing around with citizens just a little so that I can get a final approximation on what the EP situation will be. We have 13,408 on Joao already and my plan called for ~12K, so we're ahead of the game and should be fine. We may even be fine without the -20% TR bonus but we should get it. If not, I still want to maximize EPs just in case.

ingentingg · Dec 18, 2013

Yes to every point in your list.

I will probably not be able to give you any feedback, so you may stop whenever you want to as long as you finish the game on time.

I'm already building wealth in all cities.
I've hired lot of spies, but there are probably some missing. You could build securtiy bureau in cities with lots of overflow, although it will probably not affect the end result much (8 ep per turn).
Feel free to build more spies, but The cities that can build them fast are building Paratroopers, so I don't know If you will be able to build more.

Good luck.
Feel free to gift AP, I don't think anything bad can happen.

Mitchum · Dec 18, 2013

OK. It looks like you set this up for an easy finish! Good job!! :goodjob:

Oh wait, Joao has 2 cities now. Are we sure he'll accept both the Pad and the UN? I can't recall if a civ stops accepting cities after 3 or 4... In any event, I'll gift the Pad first since that is the critical one. I'll build 2 settlers in Karakorum (1 turn each) and put them along the eastern RR such that I could settle each within 9 tiles of his existing city, gift him those and then gift him Karakorum. This is a safety net that we may or may not need.

ingentingg · Dec 18, 2013

I guess we can gift UN to Ghengis, or is he worst enemy of someone?

Mitchum · Dec 18, 2013

End Game PPP

T176:

Slider at 100% EP.
Revolt to Police State, Nationhood and Slavery (stay in SP and FR)
Build one-turn Paratroopers per the plan below – dry whip where necessary.
Hire max spies (all cities) and build Wealth (non paratrooper cities) everywhere.
Build a settler in Karakorum
Gift Gandhi up to Mass Media so that he doesn’t stop the war with Evil.

T177:

Follow the paratrooper plan below.
Build another settler in Karakorum.
Queue up the palace in Culture to finish in 1 turn.

T178:

Follow the paratrooper plan below
Gift Swingers Pad to Joao.
Gift Karakorum (UN) to Joao (use bridge settlers if required).

T179:

Follow the paratrooper plan below.
Pick Diplo Victory and vote for Austin Powers.
Start to spread culture to the Pad. Bribe Mansa and Gandhi to close borders with Joao if we’re not getting the 20% discount for TRs.
Recapture Swingers Pad.

T180

Diplo victory.
Wait, let me play just one more turn.
Raze the Lair.
Recapture Karakorum if possible.
Done.

Paratroopers

A. The following cities can build a one-turn paratrooper and reach a fort on the FP tile in 1 turn assuming that there is a RR connection to it:

- Coimbra (11 pops)
- Cow (12 pops)
- Ivory (14 pops)
- Lisbon (10 pops)
- Dye (10 pops)

B. Here are the cities that can build a one-turn paratrooper and make it to either Coimbra or Banana Thief but not the fort in one turn:

- Sugar (10 pops)
- Pig (11 pops)
- Ironside (8 pops) – I left this off the previous list…

C. Here are the cities that can build a one-turn paratrooper and make it to Coimbra, Banana Thief or the fort in two turns and have enough pops/production to make a one turn paratrooper or cities that can build a 2-turn paratrooper and make it there in one turn:

- Cap (12 pops)
- Banana Thief (6 pops)
- Corn (16 pops)
- Sheep (13 pops)
- Beshbalik (12 pops)
- Ulundi (14 pops)
- Swingers Pad (13 pops)
- Dhoomville (10 pops)

Here is a timeline where P0 (T176 which is now 3 turns sooner than our estimate 7 turns ago) is the turn we can first build paratroopers:

P0 (T176):
- All cities (other than Banana Thief) produce a 1-turn paratrooper. Do it with raw hammers if you can and dry whip if you can’t.
- Banana Thief starts a paratrooper that will be whipped next turn.

P1 (T177):
- Units from category A and B (8 total paratroopers) move into either the fort (if possible), Coimbra (preferred if they can’t make it to the fort) or Banana Thief.
- Units from category C begin to move toward the fort or jump city (7 paratroopers) and Banana Thief whips it paratrooper now (1 paratrooper).
- Cities from category A and B finish another paratrooper if possible . Cities with 12+ pops can dry whip a second one if necessary. Cities that had to dry whip last turn with less than 12 pops will have to try to use the 28H OF plus production to finish another one. Should be doable since those cities will have hammers from P0 + OF from whipping + hammers from P1 with 135% bonus (8 paratroopers).

P2 (T178):
- First 8 paratroopers make the jump.
- Paratroopers from category C arrive at the jump point (8 paratroopers)
- Second batch of paratroopers from categories A and B arrive at the jump point (8 paratroopers).

P3 (T179):
- First 8 paratroopers from P2 secure area if required to open up a jump point for the next batch:
- 16 more paratroopers make the jump.

P4 (T180 - the turn the results are announced of our Diplo victory and the final turn of the game):
- We raze the lair with 24 paratroopers (assuming none died to counter-attack) vs. the 18 random units Evil had in the area last turn. Should be a blood bath!!

SGOTM 18 - The Shawshank Redemption

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