SGOTM 20 - Unusual SuspeX

[SteelHorse]

I had a pretty bad headache yesterday but I can play tonight and leave it to the next player. Shall I start the AP, and we might have a chance of finishing it at a good time?

Yes - I think we should start it, we don't really have a choice.

Also need to aggressively spread religions to all our cities and get at least 1 city for each AI in Hindu.

Other key items:
* work on a game plan for each HC. How many troops and how to transport for each (if you have time) and whether to keep or raze. This is probably the biggest issue.

* how to get to 35 cities. Since we wont be taking english cities we may need some more settlers. We may want to keep HC for this reason alone.

* Nappy should be straight forward. Would be nice to have Louis step hear and take him out.

* temples can be whipped once we have nothing better to build in a city.

Anything else?

EDIT: Lets try to balance between more Units and Missionaries. Not sure how many more units we need, but we definitely need more missionaries.

 

[leif erikson]

Also think we need to start on the AP.

Folket has already allocated forces to take each HC and labeled them in the save for where they are headed.

Here is where we are VC wise:

Spoiler :

We currently have 24 cities, 14 have Hinduism and 2 have Islam.

There are 3 Confucian cities, 2 Christian cities, one Buddhist, one Islam and at least 2 Jewish (we can see one, not the HC). As we need 11 more cities, perhaps we should plan to keep all the HC's and their suburbs? Although we can wait to see how many of Nappy's cities we end up with?

Depending upon how long it take HC's to come out of resistance, they only need Hindu spread to them as they have another religion already. That would reduce the number of Missionaries we will need.

Where to build AP, Copper?

 

[kcd_swede]

if we have enuff units, build ap in copper. if we need to keep building units, then next best hammer site. if we need units, building ap won't be the bottleneck. transportation is.

 

[leif erikson]

We have alternatives to Copper to build AP. Check out Rostov or Smolensk.

 

[SteelHorse]

Also think we need to start on the AP.

Folket has already allocated forces to take each HC and labeled them in the save for where they are headed.

Great!


We currently have 24 cities, 14 have Hinduism and 2 have Islam.

There are 3 Confucian cities, 2 Christian cities, one Buddhist, one Islam and at least 2 Jewish (we can see one, not the HC). As we need 11 more cities, perhaps we should plan to keep all the HC's and their suburbs? Although we can wait to see how many of Nappy's cities we end up with?

If we spread Christianity as well, we can maybe get away with fewer cities. Some will obviously need to have 3 religions. Something like 24 with 2 religions and 8 with 3. So we should keep that option open and generate some christian missionaries when possible. I believe there is also a limit on the number of active missionaries per religion, so this will would help also. The downside is that conversion failure increases as more religions are present in a city. I think it is 9% failure chance per religion present.

 

[SteelHorse]

Sorry, my time is not my own right now.

Okay - good to know.

So it looks like:

Folket
kcd
SH
leif

if kcd finishes before Tues, leif can move ahead of me.

 

[BSPollux]

There was a questionable remark about victory conditions you need to achive. I dont want to tell you how to play, and I'm not sure if I am misunderstanding you. So all I say is check your list for wrong assumptions, that cant hurt, can it?

 

[SteelHorse]

There was a questionable remark about victory conditions you need to achive. I dont want to tell you how to play, and I'm not sure if I am misunderstanding you. So all I say is check your list for wrong assumptions, that cant hurt, can it?

Hmmm. Not sure if this is the comment on 35 cities or needing 11 more. It is clear that we can get away with less but means more than 2 religions/city. But just to go through again.

1) Take control of the Religions! - Only you (or your vassals) may own a Holy City.

* We have a plan for all Holy Cities and it is okay to raze some of them. So I think we are good here.

2) Bring them together! - Each of your cities has at least two religions. There are at least seventy temples in your cities. Each Great Prophet settled in your cities counts as four temples.

* Minimum 2 religions/city - okay. 70 temples - okay. Settled GP counts as 4 temples - I don't think we have any settled GPs, but if we get some we should settle.

3) Promote Equality! - You must adopt and stay in Free Religion upon learning Liberalism.

* Stay in FR in we get Lib. We don't plan to get Lib so we should be fine here.

4) End the Madness! - Make sure that all internal fights end! - Each nation can only have one free leader. At least one leader of each nation has to be eliminated or be vassalized.

* Cathy and Suli eliminated. Augustus vassaled to us. Vicki vassaled to Churchill. Nappy to be dealt with.

5) Prove that you are a worthy ruler! - You win the game in any way but conquest.

* we are planning AP victory. Dom land is a long way away.


Anything else that I may be missing?

 

[Yamps]

It was probably about the assumption of needing 35 cities, but it's clear that we don't actually have to get that many. It would be easier to get 3 temples in some cities than 2 in each.

 

[BSPollux]

The list done by SteelHorse looks good.

 

[Folket]

turn 156
Louis asked us to cancel deals with France. I accepted.
Revolted to slavery.
turn 157
Peter becomes a vassal of Napoleon
Napoleon got Feudalism.
IBT
Lost 1 WE and 1 full galley while killing 1 caravel, 2 chariots, 1 spearman for Napoleon.
turn 158
Took Confucian holy city. Decided to keep it as I manage to take it so early.

Spoiler :

Turn 155, 900 AD: Islam has spread in Konya.
Turn 155, 900 AD: Hinduism has spread in Horse City.
Turn 155, 900 AD: Hinduism has spread in Filler.
Turn 155, 900 AD: Istanbul celebrates "We Love the Monarch Day"!!!
Turn 155, 900 AD: The borders of Sindhu Island have expanded!
Turn 155, 900 AD: Victoria adopts Caste System!

Turn 156, 920 AD: Mehmed adopts Slavery!
Turn 156, 920 AD: Mehmed's Trireme 2 (Moscow) (2.40) vs Barbarian's Galley (1.42)
Turn 156, 920 AD: Combat Odds: 96.4%
Turn 156, 920 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 156, 920 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
Turn 156, 920 AD: (Class Attack: -50%)
Turn 156, 920 AD: Mehmed's Trireme 2 (Moscow) is hit for 15 (85/100HP)
Turn 156, 920 AD: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 25 (75/100HP)
Turn 156, 920 AD: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 25 (50/100HP)
Turn 156, 920 AD: Mehmed's Trireme 2 (Moscow) is hit for 15 (70/100HP)
Turn 156, 920 AD: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 25 (25/100HP)
Turn 156, 920 AD: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 25 (0/100HP)
Turn 156, 920 AD: Mehmed's Trireme 2 (Moscow) has defeated Barbarian's Galley!
Turn 156, 920 AD: You have trained a Caravel in Edirne. Work has now begun on a Galley.
Turn 156, 920 AD: You have trained a Galley in Bursa. Work has now begun on a Hammam.
Turn 156, 920 AD: You have trained Hindu Missionary in Iron Stad. Work has now begun on a Horse Archer.
Turn 156, 920 AD: You have trained Hindu Missionary in Novgorod. Work has now begun on a War Elephant.
Turn 156, 920 AD: You have trained a Galley in Krasnoyarsk. Work has now begun on a Catapult.
Turn 156, 920 AD: Mehmed's Golden Age has ended...
Turn 156, 920 AD: Al-Khwarizmi (Great Scientist) has been born in Rheims (Napoleon)!
Turn 156, 920 AD: Louis XIV adopts Organized Religion!
Turn 156, 920 AD: Peter has agreed to become a vassal state of Napoleon

Turn 157, 940 AD: Istanbul can hurry Catapult for 1⇴ with 12ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Horse City can hurry Caravel for 2⇴ with 37ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 37 turns.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Edirne can hurry Galley for 2⇴ with 36ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 19 turns.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Bursa can hurry Hammam for 2⇴ with 31ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 45 turns.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Iron Stad can hurry Horse Archer for 1⇴ with 8ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 19 turns.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Novgorod can hurry War Elephant for 1⇴ with 27ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 19 turns.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Seafood City can hurry Galley for 1⇴ with 26ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Gaziantep can hurry Horse Archer for 1⇴ with 13ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Krasnoyarsk can hurry Catapult for 1⇴ with 32ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 19 turns.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Moscow can hurry Caravel for 2⇴ with 33ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Sindhu Island has grown to size 11.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Yakutsk has grown to size 6.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Yakutsk can hurry Horse Archer for 1⇴ with 16ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Dijon has grown to size 6.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Dijon can hurry Islamic Missionary for 1⇴ with 28ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Arretium can hurry Horse Archer for 1⇴ with 37ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Julius Caesar has 110 gold available for trade.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Louis XIV has no worst enemy.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Napoleon is the worst enemy of Victoria.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Your population: 197 (40.04%) exceeds the Domination Limit: 196 (40.00%)
Turn 157, 940 AD: Churchill will trade Engineering
Turn 157, 940 AD: Your Catapult 19 (Edirne) has reduced the defenses of Paulopolis to 52%!
Turn 157, 940 AD: Your Catapult 37 (Horse City) has reduced the defenses of Paulopolis to 50%!
Turn 157, 940 AD: Your Catapult 32 (Copper) has reduced the defenses of Paulopolis to 46%!
Turn 157, 940 AD: Islam has spread in Copper.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Hinduism has spread in Yekaterinburg.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Hinduism has spread in Rostov.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Hinduism has spread in Krasnoyarsk.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Horse City will grow to size 12 on the next turn.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Filler will grow to size 6 on the next turn.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Novgorod will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Yaroslavl' will grow to size 9 on the next turn.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Arretium will grow to size 5 on the next turn.
Turn 157, 940 AD: Deal Canceled: Peace Treaty (10 Turns) to Louis XIV for Peace Treaty (10 Turns)
Turn 157, 940 AD: You have trained Hindu Missionary in Novgorod. Work has now begun on a War Elephant.
Turn 157, 940 AD: You have trained a Catapult in Krasnoyarsk. Work has now begun on a Galley.

Turn 158, 960 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Dijon!
Turn 158, 960 AD: Filler has grown to size 6.
Turn 158, 960 AD: Filler can hurry Catapult for 2⇴ with 34ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 158, 960 AD: Konya can hurry Galley for 1⇴ with 22ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 29 turns.
Turn 158, 960 AD: Ankara can hurry Catapult for 1⇴ with 16ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 158, 960 AD: Novgorod has grown to size 7.
Turn 158, 960 AD: Novgorod can hurry War Elephant for 1⇴ with 28ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 18 turns.
Turn 158, 960 AD: Yaroslavl' has grown to size 9.
Turn 158, 960 AD: Yaroslavl' can hurry Maceman for 2⇴ with 12ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 158, 960 AD: Smolensk can hurry Horse Archer for 1⇴ with 34ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 158, 960 AD: Diyarbakir can hurry Caravel for 2⇴ with 27ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 158, 960 AD: Sindhu Island can hurry Caravel for 2⇴ with 21ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 158, 960 AD: Arretium has grown to size 5.
Turn 158, 960 AD: Louis XIV has 90 gold available for trade.
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon is the worst enemy of Churchill.
Turn 158, 960 AD: Your population: 200 (40.00%) exceeds the Domination Limit: 200 (40.00%)
Turn 158, 960 AD: You have declared war on Napoleon!
Turn 158, 960 AD: Augustus Caesar has declared war on Napoleon!
Turn 158, 960 AD: Augustus Caesar has declared war on Peter!
Turn 158, 960 AD: You have declared war on Peter!
Turn 158, 960 AD: Peter refuses to talk.
Turn 158, 960 AD: Islam has spread in Filler.
Turn 158, 960 AD: Your Confucianism has reduced the defenses of Confuciusgrad to 56%!
Turn 158, 960 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 30 ℤ for Dijon.
Turn 158, 960 AD: Islam has spread in Ankara.
Turn 158, 960 AD: Your Catapult 19 (Edirne) has reduced the defenses of Paulopolis to 44%!
Turn 158, 960 AD: Your Catapult 37 (Horse City) has reduced the defenses of Paulopolis to 42%!
Turn 158, 960 AD: Your Catapult 32 (Copper) has reduced the defenses of Paulopolis to 38%!
Turn 158, 960 AD: Edirne will grow to size 11 on the next turn.
Turn 158, 960 AD: Bursa will grow to size 9 on the next turn.
Turn 158, 960 AD: Diyarbakir will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 158, 960 AD: Yekaterinburg will grow to size 4 on the next turn.
Turn 158, 960 AD: You have trained Islamic Missionary in Filler. Work has now begun on a Catapult.
Turn 158, 960 AD: You have trained Islamic Missionary in Ankara. Work has now begun on a Catapult.
Turn 158, 960 AD: You have trained Hindu Missionary in Novgorod. Work has now begun on a War Elephant.
Turn 158, 960 AD: Churchill adopts Hereditary Rule!
Turn 158, 960 AD: Julius Caesar adopts Caste System!
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Chariot (4.40) vs Mehmed's War Elephant 28 (Horse City) (12.00)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Combat Odds: 0.1%
Turn 158, 960 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 158, 960 AD: (Combat: +50%)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Chariot is hit for 32 (68/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Chariot is hit for 32 (36/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Chariot is hit for 32 (4/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Mehmed's War Elephant 28 (Horse City) is hit for 12 (88/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Chariot is hit for 32 (0/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Mehmed's War Elephant 28 (Horse City) has defeated Napoleon's Chariot!
Turn 158, 960 AD: While defending, your War Elephant 28 (Horse City) has killed a French Chariot!
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Chariot (4.40) vs Mehmed's War Elephant 22 (Seafood City) (12.00)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Combat Odds: 0.1%
Turn 158, 960 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 158, 960 AD: (Combat: +50%)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Chariot is hit for 32 (68/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Chariot is hit for 32 (36/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Mehmed's War Elephant 22 (Seafood City) is hit for 12 (88/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Mehmed's War Elephant 22 (Seafood City) is hit for 12 (76/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Chariot is hit for 32 (4/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Chariot is hit for 32 (0/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Mehmed's War Elephant 22 (Seafood City) has defeated Napoleon's Chariot!
Turn 158, 960 AD: While defending, your War Elephant 22 (Seafood City) has killed a French Chariot!
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Spearman (4.40) vs Mehmed's Catapult 54 (Copper) (5.00)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Combat Odds: 30.3%
Turn 158, 960 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Spearman is hit for 21 (79/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Spearman is hit for 21 (58/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Spearman is hit for 21 (37/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Spearman is hit for 21 (16/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Spearman is hit for 21 (0/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Mehmed's Catapult 54 (Copper) has defeated Napoleon's Spearman!
Turn 158, 960 AD: While defending, your Catapult 54 (Copper) has killed a French Spearman!
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Axeman (5.00) vs Mehmed's War Elephant 28 (Horse City) (7.04)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Combat Odds: 19.4%
Turn 158, 960 AD: Mehmed's War Elephant 28 (Horse City) is hit for 16 (72/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Mehmed's War Elephant 28 (Horse City) is hit for 16 (56/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Mehmed's War Elephant 28 (Horse City) is hit for 16 (40/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Mehmed's War Elephant 28 (Horse City) is hit for 16 (24/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Mehmed's War Elephant 28 (Horse City) is hit for 16 (8/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Axeman is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Mehmed's War Elephant 28 (Horse City) is hit for 16 (0/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Axeman has defeated Mehmed's War Elephant 28 (Horse City)!
Turn 158, 960 AD: Jalaluddin Muhammad Akbar (Great General) has been born in Paris (Napoleon)!
Turn 158, 960 AD: While defending, your War Elephant 28 (Horse City) was destroyed by a French Axeman!
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Caravel (3.00) vs Mehmed's Caravel 2 (Edirne) (3.30)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Combat Odds: 32.2%
Turn 158, 960 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Caravel is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Caravel is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Mehmed's Caravel 2 (Edirne) is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Mehmed's Caravel 2 (Edirne) is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Caravel is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Caravel is hit for 20 (20/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Mehmed's Caravel 2 (Edirne) is hit for 19 (43/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Mehmed's Caravel 2 (Edirne) is hit for 19 (24/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Caravel is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Mehmed's Caravel 2 (Edirne) has defeated Napoleon's Caravel!
Turn 158, 960 AD: While defending, your Caravel 2 (Edirne) has killed a French Caravel!
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Caravel (3.30) vs Mehmed's Galley 19 (Sindhu Island) (2.20)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Combat Odds: 90.1%
Turn 158, 960 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 158, 960 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Caravel is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Caravel is hit for 16 (68/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Mehmed's Galley 19 (Sindhu Island) is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Caravel is hit for 16 (52/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Mehmed's Galley 19 (Sindhu Island) is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Mehmed's Galley 19 (Sindhu Island) is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Mehmed's Galley 19 (Sindhu Island) is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Caravel is hit for 16 (36/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Mehmed's Galley 19 (Sindhu Island) is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Napoleon's Caravel has defeated Mehmed's Galley 19 (Sindhu Island)!
Turn 158, 960 AD: While defending, your Galley 19 (Sindhu Island) was destroyed by a French Caravel!
Turn 158, 960 AD: While defending, your Worker 5 (Konya) was destroyed by a Russian Swordsman!
Turn 158, 960 AD: Barbarian's Swordsman (6.60) vs Mehmed's Confucianism (War Elephant) (8.00)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Combat Odds: 26.8%
Turn 158, 960 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Barbarian's Swordsman is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Mehmed's Confucianism (War Elephant) is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Barbarian's Swordsman is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Mehmed's Confucianism (War Elephant) is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Barbarian's Swordsman is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Barbarian's Swordsman is hit for 22 (12/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Barbarian's Swordsman is hit for 22 (0/100HP)
Turn 158, 960 AD: Mehmed's Confucianism (War Elephant) has defeated Barbarian's Swordsman!
Turn 158, 960 AD: While defending, your Confucianism has killed a Barbarian Swordsman!

Turn 159, 980 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Dijon!
Turn 159, 980 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Bursa!
Turn 159, 980 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Konya!
Turn 159, 980 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Edirne!
Turn 159, 980 AD: Horse City can hurry Maceman for 1⇴ with 20ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 45 turns.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Copper can hurry War Elephant for 1⇴ with 30ℤ overflow, 26ℴ added to the treasury, and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Filler can hurry Catapult for 2⇴ with 34ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 19 turns.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Edirne has grown to size 11.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Edirne can hurry Catapult for 1⇴ with 30ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 17 turns.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Ankara can hurry Catapult for 1⇴ with 14ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 19 turns.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Iron Stad can hurry Horse Archer for 2⇴ with 34ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 17 turns.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Novgorod can hurry War Elephant for 1⇴ with 24ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 27 turns.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Krasnoyarsk can hurry Galley for 1⇴ with 22ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 17 turns.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Diyarbakir has grown to size 7.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Sindhu Island will become unhappy on the next turn.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Yekaterinburg has grown to size 4.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Arretium can hurry Granary for 1⇴ with 26ℤ overflow, 21ℴ added to the treasury, and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Peter is the worst enemy of Victoria.
Turn 159, 980 AD: The borders of Ankara are about to expand.
Turn 159, 980 AD: The borders of Smolensk are about to expand.
Turn 159, 980 AD: The borders of Arretium are about to expand.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Your population: 193, plus growth: 8 (40.69%) will exceed the Domination Limit: 197 (40.00%)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Mehmed's Confucianism (Catapult) (5.00) vs Barbarian's Archer (8.43)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Combat Odds: 9.5%
Turn 159, 980 AD: (Plot Defense: +81%)
Turn 159, 980 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 159, 980 AD: (City Defense: +50%)
Turn 159, 980 AD: (Hills Defense: +45%)
Turn 159, 980 AD: (City Attack: -20%)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Your Confucianism has caused collateral damage! (1 Unit)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Mehmed's Confucianism (Catapult) is hit for 25 (75/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Mehmed's Confucianism (Catapult) is hit for 25 (50/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Mehmed's Confucianism (Catapult) is hit for 25 (25/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Mehmed's Confucianism (Catapult) is hit for 25 (0/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Barbarian's Archer has defeated Mehmed's Confucianism (Catapult)!
Turn 159, 980 AD: Your Confucianism has died trying to attack a Archer!
Turn 159, 980 AD: Mehmed's Confucianism (War Elephant) (9.60) vs Barbarian's Archer (9.03)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Combat Odds: 60.2%
Turn 159, 980 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 159, 980 AD: (Plot Defense: +81%)
Turn 159, 980 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 159, 980 AD: (City Defense: +50%)
Turn 159, 980 AD: (Hills Defense: +45%)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Mehmed's Confucianism (War Elephant) is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Mehmed's Confucianism (War Elephant) is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 20 (20/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Mehmed's Confucianism (War Elephant) is hit for 19 (43/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Mehmed's Confucianism (War Elephant) has defeated Barbarian's Archer!
Turn 159, 980 AD: Your Confucianism has destroyed a Archer!
Turn 159, 980 AD: Mehmed's Confusianism (War Elephant) (9.60) vs Barbarian's Archer (7.94)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Combat Odds: 68.1%
Turn 159, 980 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 159, 980 AD: (Plot Defense: +81%)
Turn 159, 980 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 159, 980 AD: (City Defense: +50%)
Turn 159, 980 AD: (Hills Defense: +45%)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 21 (67/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 21 (46/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 21 (25/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 21 (4/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 21 (0/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Mehmed's Confusianism (War Elephant) has defeated Barbarian's Archer!
Turn 159, 980 AD: Your Confusianism has destroyed a Archer!
Turn 159, 980 AD: You have captured Confuciusgrad!!!
Turn 159, 980 AD: Your population: 195, plus growth: 8 (41.18%) will exceed the Domination Limit: 197 (40.00%)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Mehmed's Caravel 2 (Edirne) (2.27) vs Napoleon's Caravel (1.29)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Combat Odds: 93.9%
Turn 159, 980 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 159, 980 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 159, 980 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Napoleon's Caravel is hit for 21 (15/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Napoleon's Caravel is hit for 21 (0/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Mehmed's Caravel 2 (Edirne) has defeated Napoleon's Caravel!
Turn 159, 980 AD: Your Caravel 2 (Edirne) has destroyed a Caravel!
Turn 159, 980 AD: Your Catapult 54 (Copper) has reduced the defenses of Tours to 42%!
Turn 159, 980 AD: Your Catapult 59 (Copper) has reduced the defenses of Tours to 34%!
Turn 159, 980 AD: Mehmed's Buddism (War Elephant) (8.80) vs Barbarian's Archer (4.50)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Combat Odds: 98.4%
Turn 159, 980 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 159, 980 AD: (Amphibious Attack: +50%)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 27 (73/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 27 (46/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 27 (19/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Mehmed's Buddism (War Elephant) is hit for 14 (86/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Barbarian's Archer is hit for 27 (0/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Mehmed's Buddism (War Elephant) has defeated Barbarian's Archer!
Turn 159, 980 AD: Your Buddism has destroyed a Archer!
Turn 159, 980 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 30 ℤ for Krasnoyarsk.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 30 ℤ for Krasnoyarsk.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Your Catapult 19 (Edirne) has reduced the defenses of Paulopolis to 36%!
Turn 159, 980 AD: Your Catapult 37 (Horse City) has reduced the defenses of Paulopolis to 34%!
Turn 159, 980 AD: Your Catapult 32 (Copper) has reduced the defenses of Paulopolis to 30%!
Turn 159, 980 AD: Your Confucianism has reduced the defenses of Ziqiangrad to 42%!
Turn 159, 980 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 30 ℤ for Novgorod.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 30 ℤ for Novgorod.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Islam has spread in Istanbul.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 30 ℤ for Gaziantep.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Mehmed's Caravel 4 (Bursa) (3.30) vs Barbarian's Galley (2.20)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Combat Odds: 90.1%
Turn 159, 980 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 159, 980 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Mehmed's Caravel 4 (Bursa) is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Mehmed's Caravel 4 (Bursa) is hit for 16 (68/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Mehmed's Caravel 4 (Bursa) is hit for 16 (52/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Mehmed's Caravel 4 (Bursa) is hit for 16 (36/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Mehmed's Caravel 4 (Bursa) is hit for 16 (20/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Mehmed's Caravel 4 (Bursa) is hit for 16 (4/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Barbarian's Galley is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 159, 980 AD: Mehmed's Caravel 4 (Bursa) has defeated Barbarian's Galley!
Turn 159, 980 AD: Your Caravel 4 (Bursa) has destroyed a Galley!
Turn 159, 980 AD: Islam has spread in Edirne.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Bursa will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Novgorod will grow to size 6 on the next turn.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Seafood City will grow to size 15 on the next turn.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Gaziantep will grow to size 5 on the next turn.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Moscow will grow to size 8 on the next turn.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Sindhu Island will grow to size 12 on the next turn.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Yakutsk will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 159, 980 AD: Dijon will grow to size 7 on the next turn.

I did many dry whips of Islamic missionaries. It is not that easy to spread religions fast as you can only have 3 missionaries and several of our cities are 4 tiles apart so it takes one extra turn to move.

http://gotm.civfanatics.net/download.php?file=Unusual_SuspeX_SG020_AD0980_01.CivBeyondSwordSave

 

[SteelHorse]

Don't have access to the save/game, but sounds good.
Yes - the 3 active missionary limit per religion slows spread. Getting more religions means more active missionaries, means quicker spread.
If we find any settled prophets in captured cities, note as part of the victory condition list so that we don't build more temples than needed.

 

[Folket]

Yes, we should probably keep the Buddist city as well. I manage to trap it with only 2 archers. Could be attacked by 2 cats and 3 elephants in 2 turns.

 

[leif erikson]

Yes, we should probably keep the Buddist city as well. I manage to trap it with only 2 archers. Could be attacked by 2 cats and 3 elephants in 2 turns.

Looking good.

Are you planning to continue or turn it over?

There is a Peter Sword 2 east of Rostov with no counter atm.
May have to move some Archers around quickly.

 

[kcd_swede]

Wanna bribe Louis into war against Nappy/Peter for Optics?

Glad you found Taoism, but looks like have to go thru a city to get a path to the HC.

Need to see if the same holds for Judaism.

I think the trip to Judaist HC is the bottleneck, or?

AP in 13t (faster with whip and/or overflow, then vote for SG, then 10t for victory vote. Can we do all the stuff we need to do in 24t? Next chance would be 34t, right?

What's the plan?

 

[leif erikson]

I can't think of a good reason not to bring Louis into the war with Nappy.

Do we need to eliminate Peter?

 

[SteelHorse]

I can't think of a good reason not to bring Louis into the war with Nappy.

Do we need to eliminate Peter?

Agree on bringing Louis in. The sooner nappy is gone the better. Cathy is gone so we don't need to eliminate Peter.

Any city we keep though must get 2 religions. So don't keep anything that will require a lot of work to get a second religion.

 

[kcd_swede]

Should I be making plans, or will Folket continue?

How is the Hindu-spread going - I assume those who won't vote for us should get it later rather than sooner.

 

[Folket]

I'm happy leave over to the next person now.

 

[leif erikson]

No problem, we just need to be clear on transfers as we cannot afford to lose a day wondering.

Roster:
kcd Swede - UP
SteelHorse - On Deck
Yamps
leif
Cactus Pete
neil
Folket - just played
Think swede said he was available.

The rest depends upon when SH returns from his tropical vacation and whether Yamps has time to play. Otherwise, I should be able to pick up the slack.

Let's get 'er done!