SGOTM 22 - Insolita Suspicatur

kcd_swede · Dec 20, 2015

pause for raze/kep vote (I vote raze)

log below

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kcd_swede · Dec 20, 2015

note, I had to cut a lot of combat from the log to post it in 30000 chararchters.

We have a new GG in Rome... I suggest we count him as a unit until next keeper-city... but if there are better ideas I'm open.

Two significant events... Carthage declared war on us again. He has no stack, so it must have been bribe. I killed his units and pillaged his ivory. Otherwise did not pursue war... the only annoying thing is his trireme outside Hadr, but small nuisance.
We are safe up there.

Second... Darius dogpiled Saladin! :clap:

Saladin's stack broke on a cg2 musket in Fishy, and I mopped up his wounded units. I now have an easy batle 100% to kill his last unit in Kashir... and suppose we should raise it and pillage the area and salt the earth.

Note, Sal has Cuirasirs now... so wiping him out is a good idea, but he will talk, so maybe peace and backstab Darius is smarter?

I think we really ned some economy and science atm. This game is looking like it will go to adv armor if we don't mash enough big cities with cannons.

Should we upgrade trabs or build fresh cannons? What atack route/priorities? We can make a north stack and elim Carthage if we choose... not sure if it pays off short term, but longer-term the stack can be used again...

Anyhow... a good spot to stop and make decisions. I am also happy to hand off if DH or someone else got their game on, or I can keep going according to a team strategy. How much killin on Saladin, for example?

Anyhow, I look forward to some input, and some mayhem.

Screens in next post.

kcd_swede · Dec 20, 2015

Maybe we should plan what to do with the GPerson (GSpy>GEng>GSci) in Rome next turn, so we don't have to pause. I'm up for some tech stealing if GSpy. GEng save for wonder, GSci save for bulb or Std Eth.

Screens

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Zhary · Dec 20, 2015

Well played kcd. I still wont have time to play until afyer new year and if you want to take a break until after xmas I can totally understand that.
For the game I vote raze. For war against sal or dar Im really unsure what would be best. Maybe backstab persia asap.

kcd_swede · Dec 21, 2015

I'll still take us to cannons. Whatever GPerson we get, he won't get ireversibly used before then... so the only necessary decision before that is raze/kep, and we seem to have a quorum on RAZE.

After Steel we will know which GP we have, and can think about tech path from there - if we are stealing tech or heading for a bulb,

Note, Taj is gone. We won't get Liberalism free tech.

kcd_swede · Dec 22, 2015

OK, razed the city, got to cannons... got two GG's just sitting in Rome, and we got a GEng (for Mining Corp or WW if we ever get a tech to unlock one).

Lots to decide. Saladin will deal (see screens), Darius needs backstabbing, do we want to take Baghdad (still many turns off), what tech to chase, do we wipe Carthage out, etc etc. Upgrade trebs or just build new? And who's up next (I can play if we get decisions).

Merry Christmas!

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Zhary · Dec 22, 2015

Yay cannons

Good job KCD

Some opinions:
Peace with sal use the money to upgrade trebs.
Regroup and jump on persia.
settle the generals(or save one for an academy) we still need a lot of units and I dont think space is reasonable with all the wonders we have left.
Save the good near cities (old jungle cities to the north) until we wont have any city spots left. When we eventually could get our hands on the mids we should do so by growning rome even a little bit more.
MS for grens first then go for wonders start with kreml then radio.

:xmassign:

kcd_swede · Dec 23, 2015

I'd suggest settling a GG up north, Carthage perhaps, and building an Academy (Rome?) when MS comes in. I agre with peace with Sal...Baghdad is far from ready to fall, our units are a little spread, and Sal is building up with Cuirs, so we won't get a better deal for some time. Never know when Darius will make peace with Sal, so we don't want to miss the opportunity - Darius is becoming a monster. We wouldn't have attacked Sal before cannons if we had the choice, probably.

I think we should start building a stack in the north... kill Carthage (unless a tasty peace deal is offered) and have a second prong into Persia.
Upgrade the most promoted trebs, see how long MS would take probably 17-18 turns.

Make a few spies to steal cheap tech from Sal. Our Econ is a bit sluggish (35% break even research), so ch's and eventual Forb Pal will probably help our end-game, considering how much tech to go. Hard to say how much we get from conquest economy.

I don't understand what "Save the good near cities (old jungle cities to the north) until we wont have any city spots left." means. Refering to Persian cities?

Zhary · Dec 23, 2015

I mean the persian city and maybe carthage cap. This is just a change in opinion from saving hard to capture wonder cities to save the first captured cities to quickly increase our productivity.

kcd_swede · Dec 23, 2015

OK, me and Z are on the same page, The rest of the team? To clarify, we peace with Sal and take the cash (plus map, that is not small bonus). We attack Darius with as many cannons as rthe cash allows. We are relentless. This was our main aim for advantage. We kill while D-stack is healing in Mecca, and hope Sal can keep it occupied while we terrorize his prime cities. We march thru Cathage city in our way, and take peace with Carthage when it gives us that access to Åersia. Our ultimate aim is a path to Ethiopia, so I pause if the maps show something unexpected. Otherwise, I march to make a hole towards Ethiopia, who is too much WW tech maniac for us. I pause after each tech to decide the next, I pause if the warring gets unwelcome participants. I pause if I get too many individual decisions to handle comfortably. I pause if I get distractions from the Jultomte.

Sound ok, or should we wait till after the holidays, to be sure the team is all in?

Zhary · Dec 23, 2015

Green from me and jultomten

I dont think we have time to wait until january. Could still be an idea to hear an availabilty status from Deckhand, hap gave us a dont wait for me green light.

Deckhand · Dec 26, 2015

Green

Hope to get more time for Civ tomorrow.
Need to make another attempt at Steam BtS HoF.

kcd_swede · Dec 27, 2015

Turn 202, 1420 AD: You have made peace with Saladin!
Turn 202, 1420 AD: Francisco Pizarro (Great General) has been born in Mecca (Saladin)!

Turn 203, 1430 AD: Raphael (Great Artist) has been born in Tolosa (Brennus)!
Turn 203, 1430 AD: Francis Walsingham (Great Spy) has been born in Kish (Gilgamesh)!
Turn 203, 1430 AD: Gilgamesh has completed Versailles!
Turn 203, 1430 AD: Saladin adopts Free Market!

Turn 204, 1440 AD: Hannibal's Trireme (2.40) vs Julius Caesar's Trireme 4 (Hadrumetum) (2.20)
Turn 204, 1440 AD: Combat Odds: 67.6%
Turn 204, 1440 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 204, 1440 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
Turn 204, 1440 AD: Julius Caesar's Trireme 4 (Hadrumetum) is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 204, 1440 AD: Hannibal's Trireme is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 204, 1440 AD: Hannibal's Trireme is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
Turn 204, 1440 AD: Hannibal's Trireme is hit for 19 (43/100HP)
Turn 204, 1440 AD: Julius Caesar's Trireme 4 (Hadrumetum) is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 204, 1440 AD: Julius Caesar's Trireme 4 (Hadrumetum) is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
Turn 204, 1440 AD: Julius Caesar's Trireme 4 (Hadrumetum) is hit for 20 (20/100HP)
Turn 204, 1440 AD: Julius Caesar's Trireme 4 (Hadrumetum) is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 204, 1440 AD: Hannibal's Trireme has defeated Julius Caesar's Trireme 4 (Hadrumetum)!
Turn 204, 1440 AD: Hannibal's Trireme (2.20) vs Julius Caesar's Trireme 5 (Hadrumetum) (2.20)
Turn 204, 1440 AD: Combat Odds: 50.0%
Turn 204, 1440 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 204, 1440 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
Turn 204, 1440 AD: Julius Caesar's Trireme 5 (Hadrumetum) is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 204, 1440 AD: Hannibal's Trireme is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 204, 1440 AD: Hannibal's Trireme is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 204, 1440 AD: Julius Caesar's Trireme 5 (Hadrumetum) is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 204, 1440 AD: Julius Caesar's Trireme 5 (Hadrumetum) is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
Turn 204, 1440 AD: Hannibal's Trireme is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
Turn 204, 1440 AD: Hannibal's Trireme is hit for 20 (20/100HP)
Turn 204, 1440 AD: Hannibal's Trireme is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 204, 1440 AD: Julius Caesar's Trireme 5 (Hadrumetum) has defeated Hannibal's Trireme!

Turn 205, 1450 AD: Julius Caesar's Trireme 5 (Hadrumetum) (1.54) vs Hannibal's Trireme (1.11)
Turn 205, 1450 AD: Combat Odds: 79.5%
Turn 205, 1450 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 205, 1450 AD: (Extra Combat: +20%)
Turn 205, 1450 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
Turn 205, 1450 AD: Julius Caesar's Trireme 5 (Hadrumetum) is hit for 19 (51/100HP)
Turn 205, 1450 AD: Julius Caesar's Trireme 5 (Hadrumetum) is hit for 19 (32/100HP)
Turn 205, 1450 AD: Julius Caesar's Trireme 5 (Hadrumetum) is hit for 19 (13/100HP)
Turn 205, 1450 AD: Julius Caesar's Trireme 5 (Hadrumetum) is hit for 19 (0/100HP)
Turn 205, 1450 AD: Hannibal's Trireme has defeated Julius Caesar's Trireme 5 (Hadrumetum)!

Turn 206, 1460 AD: Zara Yaqob converts to Christianity!

Turn 207, 1470 AD: You have declared war on Darius I!
Turn 207, 1470 AD: Brennus adopts Vassalage!
Turn 207, 1470 AD: Brennus adopts Slavery!
Turn 207, 1470 AD: Hannibal's Caravel (3.00) vs Julius Caesar's Trireme 6 (Hadrumetum) (2.20)
Turn 207, 1470 AD: Combat Odds: 79.3%
Turn 207, 1470 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
Turn 207, 1470 AD: Julius Caesar's Trireme 6 (Hadrumetum) is hit for 23 (77/100HP)
Turn 207, 1470 AD: Hannibal's Caravel is hit for 17 (83/100HP)
Turn 207, 1470 AD: Julius Caesar's Trireme 6 (Hadrumetum) is hit for 23 (54/100HP)
Turn 207, 1470 AD: Hannibal's Caravel is hit for 17 (66/100HP)
Turn 207, 1470 AD: Hannibal's Caravel is hit for 17 (49/100HP)
Turn 207, 1470 AD: Julius Caesar's Trireme 6 (Hadrumetum) is hit for 23 (31/100HP)
Turn 207, 1470 AD: Hannibal's Caravel is hit for 17 (32/100HP)
Turn 207, 1470 AD: Julius Caesar's Trireme 6 (Hadrumetum) is hit for 23 (8/100HP)
Turn 207, 1470 AD: Julius Caesar's Trireme 6 (Hadrumetum) is hit for 23 (0/100HP)
Turn 207, 1470 AD: Hannibal's Caravel has defeated Julius Caesar's Trireme 6 (Hadrumetum)!

Turn 208, 1480 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 1 (The Rome) (12.00) vs Darius I's Grenadier (10.90)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Combat Odds: 79.3%
Turn 208, 1480 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: (City Attack: -45%)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Darius I's Grenadier is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 1 (The Rome) is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Darius I's Grenadier is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 1 (The Rome) is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Darius I's Grenadier is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 1 (The Rome) is hit for 19 (43/100HP)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Darius I's Grenadier is hit for 20 (20/100HP)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 1 (The Rome) is hit for 19 (24/100HP)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 3 (The Rome) (12.00) vs Darius I's Longbowman (7.74)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Combat Odds: 96.9%
Turn 208, 1480 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: (City Defense: +70%)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: (City Attack: -45%)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 3 (The Rome) is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 3 (The Rome) is hit for 16 (68/100HP)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Darius I's Longbowman is hit for 23 (63/100HP)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Darius I's Longbowman is hit for 23 (40/100HP)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 2 (Wineyard) (12.00) vs Darius I's Maceman (5.06)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 208, 1480 AD: (City Attack: -20%)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Darius I's Maceman is hit for 28 (48/100HP)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Darius I's Maceman is hit for 28 (20/100HP)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 4 (Irony) (10.80) vs Darius I's Axeman (3.02)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 208, 1480 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Darius I's Axeman is hit for 31 (24/100HP)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 4 (Irony) is hit for 12 (78/100HP)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Julius Caesar's Knight 1 (The Rome) (11.00) vs Darius I's Grenadier (2.64)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 208, 1480 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: (Combat: -25%)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Darius I's Grenadier is hit for 23 (0/100HP)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Julius Caesar's Knight 1 (The Rome) has defeated Darius I's Grenadier!
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Julius Caesar's Praetorian 1 (The Rome) (8.00) vs Darius I's Longbowman (1.44)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 208, 1480 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: (City Defense: +70%)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: (City Attack: -75%)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Julius Caesar's Praetorian 1 (The Rome) is hit for 14 (86/100HP)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Darius I's Longbowman is hit for 27 (0/100HP)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Julius Caesar's Praetorian 1 (The Rome) has defeated Darius I's Longbowman!
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Julius Caesar's Praetorian 3 (The Rome) (8.00) vs Darius I's Maceman (1.68)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 208, 1480 AD: (City Attack: -45%)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: (Combat: +50%)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Darius I's Maceman is hit for 25 (0/100HP)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Julius Caesar's Praetorian 3 (The Rome) has defeated Darius I's Maceman!
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Julius Caesar's Musketman 2 (The Rome) (9.00) vs Darius I's Axeman (1.10)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 208, 1480 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Darius I's Axeman is hit for 32 (0/100HP)
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Julius Caesar's Musketman 2 (The Rome) has defeated Darius I's Axeman!
Turn 208, 1480 AD: You have captured Zohak!!!
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Gilgamesh adopts Universal Suffrage!
Turn 208, 1480 AD: Gilgamesh adopts Emancipation!

Turn 209, 1490 AD: John Maynard Keynes (Great Merchant) has been born in Gordium (Darius I)!

Turn 210, 1500 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Fishy!
Turn 210, 1500 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Zohak!
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Wineyard can hurry Cannon for 2⇴ with 12ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Hadrumetum has become happy.
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Utica can hurry War Elephant for 1⇴ with 40ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 15 turns.
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Zohak has become unhappy.
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Darius I has 270 gold available for trade.
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Your Cannon 4 (Hadrumetum) has reduced the defenses of Thapsus to 0%!
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 5 (Utica) (12.00) vs Hannibal's Longbowman (7.50)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Combat Odds: 94.1%
Turn 210, 1500 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: (City Defense: +45%)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: (City Attack: -45%)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Your Cannon 5 (Utica) has caused collateral damage! (4 Units)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 5 (Utica) is hit for 15 (85/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 5 (Utica) is hit for 15 (70/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 5 (Utica) is hit for 15 (55/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 5 (Utica) is hit for 15 (40/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 5 (Utica) is hit for 15 (25/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Hannibal's Longbowman is hit for 25 (75/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Hannibal's Longbowman is hit for 25 (50/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 5 (Utica) is hit for 15 (10/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Hannibal's Longbowman is hit for 25 (25/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 5 (Utica) is hit for 15 (0/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Hannibal's Longbowman has defeated Julius Caesar's Cannon 5 (Utica)!
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Your Cannon 5 (Utica) has died trying to attack a Longbowman!
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 6 (The Rome) (12.00) vs Darius I's Longbowman (7.50)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Combat Odds: 96.3%
Turn 210, 1500 AD: (River Attack: +25%)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Darius I's Longbowman is hit for 25 (75/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Darius I's Longbowman is hit for 25 (50/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Darius I's Longbowman is hit for 25 (25/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Your Cannon 6 (The Rome) has withdrawn from combat with a Longbowman!
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Julius Caesar's Knight 1 (The Rome) (11.00) vs Darius I's Longbowman (6.00)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Combat Odds: 98.7%
Turn 210, 1500 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Julius Caesar's Knight 1 (The Rome) is hit for 14 (86/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Julius Caesar's Knight 1 (The Rome) is hit for 14 (72/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Darius I's Longbowman is hit for 26 (74/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Julius Caesar's Knight 1 (The Rome) is hit for 14 (58/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Julius Caesar's Knight 1 (The Rome) is hit for 14 (44/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Darius I's Longbowman is hit for 26 (48/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Darius I's Longbowman is hit for 26 (22/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Darius I's Longbowman is hit for 26 (0/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Julius Caesar's Knight 1 (The Rome) has defeated Darius I's Longbowman!
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Your Knight 1 (The Rome) has destroyed a Longbowman!
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Julius Caesar's Pikeman 8 (The Rome) (7.20) vs Darius I's Immortal (2.10)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 210, 1500 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: (Combat: -100%)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Darius I's Immortal is hit for 35 (65/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Julius Caesar's Pikeman 8 (The Rome) is hit for 11 (89/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Darius I's Immortal is hit for 35 (30/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Darius I's Immortal is hit for 35 (0/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Julius Caesar's Pikeman 8 (The Rome) has defeated Darius I's Immortal!
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Your Pikeman 8 (The Rome) has destroyed a Immortal!
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Julius Caesar's Praetorian 1 (The Rome) (8.00) vs Darius I's Longbowman (1.50)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 210, 1500 AD: (River Attack: +25%)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Julius Caesar's Praetorian 1 (The Rome) is hit for 15 (85/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Darius I's Longbowman is hit for 26 (0/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Julius Caesar's Praetorian 1 (The Rome) has defeated Darius I's Longbowman!
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Your Praetorian 1 (The Rome) has destroyed a Longbowman!
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 3 (Irony) (12.00) vs Darius I's Longbowman (6.00)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Combat Odds: 99.5%
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Darius I's Longbowman is hit for 28 (72/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Darius I's Longbowman is hit for 28 (44/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Your Cannon 3 (Irony) has withdrawn from combat with a Longbowman!
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Julius Caesar's War Elephant 4 (Wineyard) (9.60) vs Darius I's Longbowman (1.20)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 210, 1500 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Darius I's Longbowman is hit for 31 (0/100HP)
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Julius Caesar's War Elephant 4 (Wineyard) has defeated Darius I's Longbowman!
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Your War Elephant 4 (Wineyard) has destroyed a Longbowman!
Turn 210, 1500 AD: While defending, your Worker was destroyed by a Persian Horse Archer!
Turn 210, 1500 AD: Isaac Newton (Great Scientist) has been born in Kerkouane (Hannibal)!

Turn 211, 1505 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Wineyard!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Zohak!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Brennus has 160 gold available for trade.
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I has 1260 gold available for trade.
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Gilgamesh has 60 gold available for trade.
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Zara Yaqob has 70 gold available for trade.
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Your Cannon 7 (Irony) has reduced the defenses of Sardis to 113%!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Your Cannon 9 (Irony) has reduced the defenses of Sardis to 102%!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Your Cannon 10 (Irony) has reduced the defenses of Sardis to 91%!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Your Cannon 15 (Irony) has reduced the defenses of Sardis to 80%!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Your Cannon 2 (Wineyard) has reduced the defenses of Sardis to 68%!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Your Cannon 5 (Irony) has reduced the defenses of Sardis to 57%!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Your Cannon 6 (Irony) has reduced the defenses of Sardis to 46%!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Your Cannon 8 (Irony) has reduced the defenses of Sardis to 35%!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Pikeman 6 (Wineyard) (6.60) vs Darius I's Horse Archer (3.33)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Combat Odds: 99.1%
Turn 211, 1505 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: (Extra Combat: +20%)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: (Combat: -100%)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Horse Archer is hit for 27 (73/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Pikeman 6 (Wineyard) is hit for 14 (86/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Horse Archer is hit for 27 (46/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Pikeman 6 (Wineyard) is hit for 14 (72/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Horse Archer is hit for 27 (19/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Horse Archer is hit for 27 (0/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Pikeman 6 (Wineyard) has defeated Darius I's Horse Archer!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Your Pikeman 6 (Wineyard) has destroyed a Horse Archer!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 7 (Wineyard) (12.00) vs Darius I's Horse Archer (7.20)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Combat Odds: 96.2%
Turn 211, 1505 AD: (Extra Combat: +20%)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Horse Archer is hit for 25 (75/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Horse Archer is hit for 25 (50/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 7 (Wineyard) is hit for 15 (85/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Horse Archer is hit for 25 (25/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 7 (Wineyard) is hit for 15 (70/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 7 (Wineyard) is hit for 15 (55/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Your Cannon 7 (Wineyard) has withdrawn from combat with a Horse Archer!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Praetorian 1 (The Rome) (8.09) vs Darius I's Horse Archer (1.44)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 211, 1505 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: (Extra Combat: +20%)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Horse Archer is hit for 27 (0/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Praetorian 1 (The Rome) has defeated Darius I's Horse Archer!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Your Praetorian 1 (The Rome) has destroyed a Horse Archer!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Grenadier (15.60) vs Julius Caesar's Cannon 3 (The Rome) (12.00)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Combat Odds: 77.1%
Turn 211, 1505 AD: (Extra Combat: -30%)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Grenadier is hit for 17 (83/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 3 (The Rome) is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 3 (The Rome) is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Grenadier is hit for 17 (66/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 3 (The Rome) is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 3 (The Rome) is hit for 22 (12/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 3 (The Rome) is hit for 22 (0/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Grenadier has defeated Julius Caesar's Cannon 3 (The Rome)!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Isoroku Yamamoto (Great General) has been born in Ecbatana (Darius I)!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: While defending, your Cannon 3 (The Rome) was destroyed by a Persian Grenadier!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Grenadier (14.40) vs Julius Caesar's Cannon 2 (Wineyard) (12.00)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Combat Odds: 73.0%
Turn 211, 1505 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Grenadier is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 2 (Wineyard) is hit for 21 (79/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Grenadier is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 2 (Wineyard) is hit for 21 (58/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 2 (Wineyard) is hit for 21 (37/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 2 (Wineyard) is hit for 21 (16/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 2 (Wineyard) is hit for 21 (0/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Grenadier has defeated Julius Caesar's Cannon 2 (Wineyard)!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: While defending, your Cannon 2 (Wineyard) was destroyed by a Persian Grenadier!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Grenadier (14.40) vs Julius Caesar's Cannon 4 (Irony) (12.00)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Combat Odds: 73.0%
Turn 211, 1505 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 4 (Irony) is hit for 21 (79/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Grenadier is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Grenadier is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Grenadier is hit for 18 (46/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 4 (Irony) is hit for 21 (58/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 4 (Irony) is hit for 21 (37/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Grenadier is hit for 18 (28/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 4 (Irony) is hit for 21 (16/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Grenadier is hit for 18 (10/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Grenadier is hit for 18 (0/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 4 (Irony) has defeated Darius I's Grenadier!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: While defending, your Cannon 4 (Irony) has killed a Persian Grenadier!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Grenadier (13.20) vs Julius Caesar's Cannon 5 (Irony) (12.00)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Combat Odds: 70.9%
Turn 211, 1505 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 5 (Irony) is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Grenadier is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Grenadier is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Grenadier is hit for 19 (43/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 5 (Irony) is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 5 (Irony) is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 5 (Irony) is hit for 20 (20/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Grenadier is hit for 19 (24/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 5 (Irony) is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Grenadier has defeated Julius Caesar's Cannon 5 (Irony)!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: While defending, your Cannon 5 (Irony) was destroyed by a Persian Grenadier!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Trebuchet (3.88) vs Julius Caesar's Cannon 6 (Irony) (12.00)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Combat Odds: 0.1%
Turn 211, 1505 AD: You have suffered collateral damage! (4 Units)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Trebuchet is hit for 33 (64/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Trebuchet is hit for 33 (31/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 6 (Irony) is hit for 11 (89/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Trebuchet is hit for 33 (0/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 6 (Irony) has defeated Darius I's Trebuchet!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: While defending, your Cannon 6 (Irony) has killed a Persian Trebuchet!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Trebuchet (4.00) vs Julius Caesar's Cannon 8 (Irony) (12.00)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Combat Odds: 0.4%
Turn 211, 1505 AD: You have suffered collateral damage! (4 Units)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 8 (Irony) is hit for 12 (88/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Trebuchet is hit for 33 (67/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Trebuchet is hit for 33 (34/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Trebuchet is hit for 33 (1/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Trebuchet is hit for 33 (0/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 8 (Irony) has defeated Darius I's Trebuchet!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: While defending, your Cannon 8 (Irony) has killed a Persian Trebuchet!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Horse Archer (7.20) vs Julius Caesar's Pikeman 1 (The Rome) (13.52)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Combat Odds: 2.5%
Turn 211, 1505 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: (Extra Combat: +20%)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: (Combat: +125%)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Horse Archer is hit for 27 (73/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Horse Archer is hit for 27 (46/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Pikeman 1 (The Rome) is hit for 14 (78/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Horse Archer is hit for 27 (19/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Pikeman 1 (The Rome) is hit for 14 (64/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Horse Archer is hit for 27 (0/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Pikeman 1 (The Rome) has defeated Darius I's Horse Archer!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: While defending, your Pikeman 1 (The Rome) has killed a Persian Horse Archer!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's War Elephant (9.60) vs Julius Caesar's Cannon 7 (Irony) (12.00)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Combat Odds: 25.1%
Turn 211, 1505 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's War Elephant is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 7 (Irony) is hit for 17 (83/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's War Elephant is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 7 (Irony) is hit for 17 (66/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's War Elephant is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 7 (Irony) is hit for 17 (49/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's War Elephant is hit for 22 (12/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's War Elephant is hit for 22 (0/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 7 (Irony) has defeated Darius I's War Elephant!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: While defending, your Cannon 7 (Irony) has killed a Persian War Elephant!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Horse Archer (6.60) vs Julius Caesar's War Elephant 1 (The Rome) (12.80)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Combat Odds: 1.0%
Turn 211, 1505 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: (Combat: +50%)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Horse Archer is hit for 27 (73/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's War Elephant 1 (The Rome) is hit for 14 (86/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Horse Archer is hit for 27 (46/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Horse Archer is hit for 27 (19/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Horse Archer is hit for 27 (0/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's War Elephant 1 (The Rome) has defeated Darius I's Horse Archer!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: While defending, your War Elephant 1 (The Rome) has killed a Persian Horse Archer!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Musketman (10.80) vs Julius Caesar's Cannon 9 (Irony) (12.00)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Combat Odds: 31.5%
Turn 211, 1505 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Musketman is hit for 21 (79/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 9 (Irony) is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 9 (Irony) is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Musketman is hit for 21 (58/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Musketman is hit for 21 (37/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Musketman is hit for 21 (16/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Musketman is hit for 21 (0/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 9 (Irony) has defeated Darius I's Musketman!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: While defending, your Cannon 9 (Irony) has killed a Persian Musketman!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Musketman (10.80) vs Julius Caesar's Cannon 10 (Irony) (12.00)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Combat Odds: 31.5%
Turn 211, 1505 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 10 (Irony) is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 10 (Irony) is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 10 (Irony) is hit for 18 (46/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 10 (Irony) is hit for 18 (28/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Musketman is hit for 21 (79/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Musketman is hit for 21 (58/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Musketman is hit for 21 (37/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Musketman is hit for 21 (16/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Musketman is hit for 21 (0/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 10 (Irony) has defeated Darius I's Musketman!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: While defending, your Cannon 10 (Irony) has killed a Persian Musketman!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Musketman (10.80) vs Julius Caesar's Cannon 15 (Irony) (12.00)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Combat Odds: 31.5%
Turn 211, 1505 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 15 (Irony) is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Musketman is hit for 21 (79/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Musketman is hit for 21 (58/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Musketman is hit for 21 (37/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 15 (Irony) is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 15 (Irony) is hit for 18 (46/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 15 (Irony) is hit for 18 (28/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Musketman is hit for 21 (16/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 15 (Irony) is hit for 18 (10/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Musketman is hit for 21 (0/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 15 (Irony) has defeated Darius I's Musketman!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: While defending, your Cannon 15 (Irony) has killed a Persian Musketman!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Musketman (11.70) vs Julius Caesar's Musketman 2 (The Rome) (8.64)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Combat Odds: 71.8%
Turn 211, 1505 AD: (Extra Combat: -30%)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Musketman is hit for 17 (83/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Musketman 2 (The Rome) is hit for 23 (73/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Musketman 2 (The Rome) is hit for 23 (50/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Musketman is hit for 17 (66/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Musketman is hit for 17 (49/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Musketman 2 (The Rome) is hit for 23 (27/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Musketman 2 (The Rome) is hit for 23 (4/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Musketman is hit for 17 (32/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Musketman is hit for 17 (15/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Musketman 2 (The Rome) is hit for 23 (0/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Musketman has defeated Julius Caesar's Musketman 2 (The Rome)!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: While defending, your Musketman 2 (The Rome) was destroyed by a Persian Musketman!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Grenadier (12.00) vs Julius Caesar's Cannon 6 (Irony) (10.68)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Combat Odds: 69.4%
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Grenadier is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Grenadier is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 6 (Irony) is hit for 20 (69/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 6 (Irony) is hit for 20 (49/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 6 (Irony) is hit for 20 (29/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 6 (Irony) is hit for 20 (9/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Julius Caesar's Cannon 6 (Irony) is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Grenadier has defeated Julius Caesar's Cannon 6 (Irony)!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: While defending, your Cannon 6 (Irony) was destroyed by a Persian Grenadier!
Turn 211, 1505 AD: Darius I's Grenadier (12.00) vs Julius Caesar's Cannon 8 (Irony) (10.56)

kcd_swede · Dec 27, 2015

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kcd_swede · Dec 27, 2015

Houston, we have a problem.
Our beautiful cannon/Prat/Pike etc stack is in tatters. Darius arived with a stack of about 15 Grens and 10 muskets and assorted other things, just 1 turn before I would take the second of two cities. He had enough combat success to no longer be willing to talk. I think retreat and beg for peace asap is the only thing to do. We are 15 turns from MSci. Will take some time to make anew the stack. Never saw it coming... probably someone else should take over.

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Zhary · Dec 29, 2015

Well played kcd. It seems like this game is a hard one. I have looked into my calendar in january and I only got ~4 free hours the 6 and 7th. So a Ppp then would only be: play until victory or defeate.

kcd_swede · Dec 29, 2015

Zhary said:
Well played kcd. It seems like this game is a hard one. I have looked into my calendar in january and I only got ~4 free hours the 6 and 7th. So a Ppp then would only be: play until victory or defeate.

I have time to play... was mostly just disgusted at the epic fail. I think we can do a better ppp than what you suggest, tho if things go bad... it would probably come to the same.

I'd like another set of eyes... to me, it looks like the remainder of our stack will get mopped up while retreating -might be better just to spread and pillage;, and we will lose the newly acquired Persian city unless the AI does some stupid delay.

So the question... 1) write off our gains and turtle the rest until we have grens, and can get our tech going again (even ofer it for peace if necessary) or 2)make our last stand here with whipped muskets/cannons and hope for some beter luck.

I'm leaning toward the first option. Maybe someone with new eyes can se more options? Get some spies to Sal and pick up as much cheap tech as we can to help us catch up some. Good thing we still have a GG to make a new medic when this one dies. :rolleyes:

Deckhand · Dec 30, 2015

If we spread out retreating units, will AI kill them all? Or is it likely to just focus on a few units/places?

How far is Rome from Zohak? Was going to ask if worthwhile to move archers there to try to save city. But then we would need to rebuild all the archers. We need them to get more cities and they are too obsolete to be much use on front lines.

Yes, make peace as soon as you can. Giving the city may be necessary. But if he won't talk ...

Still can't play, will give an update in a day.

Zhary · Dec 30, 2015

I also think turtle in is a good idea. I guess from seeing the other teams progress that a victory will be enough for an award. Should have been safer to plan for space in the begining by cottaging rome.

kcd_swede · Dec 30, 2015

Deckhand said:
If we spread out retreating units, will AI kill them all? Or is it likely to just focus on a few units/places?

How far is Rome from Zohak? Was going to ask if worthwhile to move archers there to try to save city. But then we would need to rebuild all the archers. We need them to get more cities and they are too obsolete to be much use on front lines.

Yes, make peace as soon as you can. Giving the city may be necessary. But if he won't talk ...

Still can't play, will give an update in a day.

This is definitely something to inspire thought! I think all those units in Rome could get to our Persian city in time, and enough of them upgrade to something that our power level induces talk. Then we could give cash and map to peace (though a longshot if we can't aford upgrades). So... is it worth delaying MS about 5-6 turns to try and defend our gains, or should we stop throwing good money after bad. Tough choice. I am a stubborn guy, and would like to hold what we have if at all possible, The Rome exodus + upgrading should be enough. The only question is whether that puts us in better position or worse. I mean, if we keep falling behind in tech, its just a matter of time before we lose it anyhow.

So, new option is to turtle even with the gains. Making new units for further expansion is no problem in Rome, and the least of our worries at the moment, as we are not in expansion but retreat. So I am inpired for now with the DH idea, unless/until someone shoots holes in it. Good job, Deckhand, for giving me an option I don't feel quite so disgusted with. :goodjob:

Turle mode, improve the tech rate, wipe'em out with something else... artillery isn't so far if we can get the baby tech that makes our econ work.

Thoughts?

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