SGOTM 23 - Turbo Ants

[ZPV]

OK then. Got it!
I'll post a few headings in the next hour or two for my PPP, and then look to flesh them out over the next day or two.

 

[ZPV]

We need to conquer something like 27-30 cities in the next dozen turns.
Seems like that would be enough conquer gold to run our research. Maybe we don't even need the trade mission, but I suppose we need something rt now to hold us over.

It's hard to double check our research since we're not in the GAge rt now and we haven't assigned all our specialists.

I'm back to thinking conquest is the long pole, so I'd probably look for at least a couple combat-ready healthy HAs for upgrading.

If we turn out to be short on research at the end, we can just run extra turns of starvation scientists at the end. It's not pretty, but it works, and it's not very suboptimal in terms of finish date.

 

[LowtherCastle]

T111 Summary, Part 3

Warring

KK

1. Yekat-2s2e needs a road. It's no one's culture yet. Wkr 17 (Mosc-e) was headed there, but 1t late for the 3 knights at Yakutsk-2s.
2. 3 knights and an HA near Yakutsk were headed for KK.
3. Not sure what the priority is now that the Orient Express goes through India. Maybe send them straight to Nanjing? Continue their designs on KK? Divert to ferry over to Gandhi?
4. KK has a warrior at Munich-3e.

Gandhi

1. Gandhi has an archer right next to our fogbustinng spear in South Africa. Potentially catastrophic! Maybe send a mountie there to kill him as needed.
2. I would have moved both workers to Bombay-sw to road next turn. After capturing Bombay, we might be able to snag workers at Bombay-ne and even Bombay-n2e, if we don't use our Medic to capture Bombay.
3. Go straight to Mao after Bombay?
4. There are 2 Horse archers at Munich-nw to kill Gandhi's missionary blocking our GM

Mao

1. Beijing will need ~7t to come out of resistance. Can we capture it by T117 for a T125 victory?
2. The “city here” sign near Beijing is wrong for the Indian Orient Express. It should be at Beijing-n, right?

Sal
Sal has an archer+chariot pair at Rostov-nw

 

[ZPV]

Skeleton PPP

GP Plan
Unit Production
Worker actions required.

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English War
Arabian War
Chinese War
Mongolian War
Ottoman War
Russian War?

Can you spot the pattern?
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Railroad
How many workers and settlers can we reasonably get?
Divide the route into blocks of 16 tiles and assign X workers per block as required.
Will Beijing come out of revolt in time? If so, we don't need to raze it - border pops in Beijing and <insert Orient pun here> would be enough.

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Cash flow
Tech path
Lightbulbing schedule


@LC: Thanks for the notes. I'll read them properly as I reanimate this post.

 

[LowtherCastle]

I'm back to thinking conquest is the long pole, so I'd probably look for at least a couple combat-ready healthy HAs for upgrading.

If we turn out to be short on research at the end, we can just run extra turns of starvation scientists at the end. It's not pretty, but it works, and it's not very suboptimal in terms of finish date.

Since Mercantilism, I've been running a lot of merchants to pay for our economy. You might be able to switch them to scientists already in our non-GP cities.

I think we should be able to achieve a conquest victory by T125 at the latest, although that's not based on an extremely detailed plan. I think you should make such a plan because this is exactly where teams lose turns rapidly.

I agree with using the Trade Mission for knights. That should be part of your plan. The only question is exactly when. You might not need them all on T112 and the abundant cash flow from all these city captures might not start quite yet. I'd look for a balance between building knights in useful cities, maybe building wealth elsewhere, or hiring merchants instead of scientists, and using gold to pay for our economy.

We might be able to upgrade some HAs in time for the Churchill war, so another variable is where to upgrade. Darius cities should produce some number of knights with all those chops and hammers.

A separate but related question is do we plan any cities, like Lisbon, for another GM or GS after the GA completes? It's a question about keeping the gene pool pure more than anything else.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Seems like that would be enough conquer gold to run our research. Maybe we don't even need the trade mission, but I suppose we need something rt now to hold us over.

It's worth considering. That raises the question of how we're doing on research compared to your estimated plan? That's an important variable to weigh.

Maybe ZPV should go ahead and start the GA, without the GM, and upload so we can study the save properly.

Speaking of which, how is it again that we ensure the proper GPs get used for the GA? I forgot to move them together...

 

[LowtherCastle]

T111 Summary, Part 4

Berlin MM, with worker movements:

Spoiler :

To help you understand what I was thinking. The idea is to make sure knights keep churning out 1 per turn and build enough workshops accordingly.

Wkr 9 at Be-2s1w might build hill roads next, in case those hills have coal. I haven't really made any sort of coal plan because I haven't had any spare worker turns.

Fredburg also needs workshops in the worst way.

Note: I didn't mark partially done improvements. (sorry)
Be-2e1n has 1t to a wkshop.
Fred-e has 5t to wkshop.
We probably want a road at Berlin-2e1n this turn. Wkr10 (hidden at Yakutsk-2s) could help with that.
Be-2n1w has 5t to go on a wkshp.
Be-3e also 5t to go.

Then at Pasargardae-w the chop is 1t to done, chop at Pasa-2w1n also, and the chop at Persepolis-2s.

Paris-2s also has a 1t chop.
Oporto-2w1n has a 2t chop.
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[LowtherCastle]

I also blissfully ignored whether any GP city would lose its Representation +3 at some point. Thisneeds to be checked, especially having captured Delhi.

 

[LowtherCastle]

THought for later. After completing RR, we might want Drama, just in case the cultural slider might come in handy at the end.

 

[ZPV]

Does anyone remember the sequence of events for a conquest victory?
i.e. Do we kill/capitulate the last civ and the movie plays immediately, or do we kill/cap the last civ , do the 1st turn of railroad, end the turn and then the movie plays?

 

[Mitchum]

Hey LC, great turnset. Sounds like it almost gave you a heart attack.

Glad to hear that you're doing well. Thanks for letting us know!!

What do you guys think about an extension? Dhoom PM'd me and also a person from every other team. Gumbolt (PR) said that they would not be opposed to an extension. Since they are likely to the team to beat, it would be nice to ensure they they (and we) play the best game possible. It would be lame to win (or lose) because a team had to rush at the end. Dhoom said that most teams would be open to an extension. What say you?

Welcome home, WT.

 

[BSPollux]

The “city here” sign near Beijing is wrong for the Indian Orient Express. It should be at Beijing-n, right?

Anywhere behind the "bridge" is ok. It's a region, not a single spot

 

[LowtherCastle]

I doubt we need an extension. If others do, no probs for me.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Gumbolt (PR) said that they would not be opposed to an extension. Since they are likely to the team to beat

Treason! Study this, you traitor:

 

[ZPV]

I doubt we need an extension. If others do, no probs for me.

I agree. Unless there's no coal.
I'd be surprised if PR really needed one either based on their graphs.

 

[ZPV]

Of all the AIs, Churchill's the one I'm struggling to see how to conquer quickly. His land is full of forests and he's built a ton of annoying swords. Do I just take a bunch of knights (putting pressure on the other fronts) and eat some 65% battles?

Sweden will be easy enough - I'll upgrade the chariot that's there (and add one more unit) - and our boats will have enough time to ship whatever survives from his mainland to Svalbard.

There's also the Russia question. I think our power will be high enough to peace vassal with 1 AI left, but I'm not sure.

 

[Pollina]

Does anyone remember the sequence of events for a conquest victory?
i.e. Do we kill/capitulate the last civ and the movie plays immediately, or do we kill/cap the last civ , do the 1st turn of railroad, end the turn and then the movie plays?

We win conquest on the turn after we kill/capitulate the last civ.

 

[WastinTime]

Slavery on T122?

 

[ZPV]

Slavery on T122?

I'm not planning to, although I'll keep it in mind if we really need to whip.
Caste System gives us an awful lot of research by running specialists.

 

[LowtherCastle]

Slavery on T122?

A revolt to Slavery also requires a plan to expand our culture over the Orient Express.