SGOTM 23 - Unusual Suspects

Deckhand · Aug 13, 2016

Ronnie1 said:
How do we control the territory on the RR route this way?

We take all that land (Mongolia, China).

This approach (I have no opinion) says the time to conquer India and Arabia.

nocho · Aug 13, 2016

Deckhand said:
We take all that land (Mongolia, China).

This approach (I have no opinion) says the time to conquer India and Arabia.

Exactly, just conquer the corridor north of the himalayas towards the orient, which saves us from having to conquer it all. I think it might be quicker than all-out conquest. It might be a bit of a "gimmick-ie" win however (although that's what wins laurels

)... I'm fine with the old plans too, at least saves time thinking. Didn't want to leave this option unmentioned though.

kcd_swede · Aug 13, 2016

Lotsa missionaris needed.

nocho · Aug 13, 2016

kcd_swede said:
Lotsa missionaris needed.

One for China, one for India, and then some few for self-spread. Is that a lot?

Zhary · Aug 13, 2016

Like I said before I think 27 musketeers are more than enough. I go OR and put some misses out of the middle east and we will see Wath seems fastest again in ten turns. AP in Bord?

Deckhand · Aug 13, 2016

Zhary said:
Like I said before I think 27 musketeers are more than enough. I go OR and put some misses out of the middle east and we will see Wath seems fastest again in ten turns. AP in Bord?

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Deckhand · Aug 14, 2016

We have been asked for a deadline extension.

I would like all team captains to send me a PM. I need to know if you support this or not. Please be clear, vague answers just make it more complicated. If there are objections to the extension we will most likely deny it.

I think I'm the captain.

Before I reply I need team consensus/agreement.
We don't need it. I don't object. I tend to take nice guy / merciful approach. We don't know what RL difficulties impacted the other team(s). I'd rather focus on the friendly aspect of the "friendly competition". But others may focus on the competition part of it. In any competition, there are rules that will disqualify you if you break them.
So, I'm taking BSP's approach: I will reply OK, unless there are any objections.
[That does give one objector in entire competition power over all! Maybe we should go with team consensus or require two objections from team members for me to say No?]

thoughts?

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edit, oops - I posted here before seeing kcd's PM reply.
I concur with it.

Zhary · Aug 14, 2016

Only managed to play 4 turns today. A lot of units to move. Uploaded the save if someone wanted to have a look but please note that some units are at goto.
AP was built but it was oslam!

Spoiler :

kcd_swede · Aug 15, 2016

OK, AP victory is impractical with Hatty as opponent. Now we can focus on the task at hand. :ar15:

nocho · Aug 15, 2016

Is the AP owner indeed always guaranteed a spot on the elections? Hatty should be 3rd popwise regarding islamic cities. If she indeed is inevitably the opponent (not sure on that), then agree better focus on full out conquest.

Maybe whip quick markets in Paris, Berlin and Rotterdam. I'd work that unimproved plains hill in Istanbul to get the FP a turn sooner. Lisbon is going max specs next turn when it has the NE?

Zhary · Aug 15, 2016

If the AP would have been finished one turn later we would have been in the position to be elected to. Now it would take some effort to get us in charge to. I think it's still an option thou with Gandhi as our voting buddy. And what would happen if we ask Hatty to attack sal?

I can continue today, tomorrow and Thursday. With a deadline extension we are not really in a hurry.
Besides the market what about going theocracy once our big military cities have Islam?
Plan is to hire the merchants this turn.

nocho · Aug 15, 2016

I just noticed Hatty has gold, get that in trade, will solve some immediate happy problems.

I'm fine with theocracy, we won't be building much else besides military anyhow.

I don't think we can ask Hatty to attack Sal without declaring ourselves first. I presume you'll declare on Mongolia rather soon, right? Going east asap is probably more important than bothering about Sal for now.

Zhary · Aug 15, 2016

Ok I've missed that vassal mechanism "what should I research" "whom should I attack" if we can't get Hatty to war before we do then it's not anything that helps our diploma situation.

The Mongolian war is a bit tricky. You know attack to early and he will just whip more troops that causes the attack speed to be slower in the end. I was think this turn or wait up to 2 more turns. Your idea of markets was that only for the happiness?

nocho · Aug 15, 2016

Markets for 3 happy faces. Worth it in big cities if it's whipping away the unhappy ones.

Dunno exactly how ready the troops are, but by now speed is important as we'll back up with superior numbers. Also, we're only playing on monarch, aren't we?

kcd_swede · Aug 15, 2016

Yes, the owner of the AP is always one of the election options for both Pope and for victory votes. So as long as Hatty owns the AP, we can never get her votes for victory. I also think if you count the present Islam pop, we do not have close enough to 75% on our own to win with just Sal's votes. AND, you can bet Hatty and others will spread the AP religion like Wildfire. So forget the AP option. Trust me, the owner of more AP fast-finish awards in BOTM history (my only claim to fame, beside most sheilds...)

Getting stacks to a few far-flung cities is easier and as fast or faster than the missionary and pop and diplo-begging game.

nocho · Aug 15, 2016

Ok, thanks for clarifying that, mr AP-overlord!

Never has been a VC I liked anyway, so I'm not aware of all details. Of course the whole idea was to be owners ourselves, or have it in the hands of a controllable and manipulable opponent (Sal). That not being the case, ready to forget. I do bet though that the fastest finishes will see the AP used. It looks like the ideal shortcut to full-out conquest.

Ronnie1 · Aug 16, 2016

Ok I've missed that vassal mechanism "what should I research"

Please make sure she stays on track!

kcd_swede · Aug 16, 2016

nocho said:
Ok, thanks for clarifying that, mr AP-overlord! Never has been a VC I liked anyway, so I'm not aware of all details. Of course the whole idea was to be owners ourselves, or have it in the hands of a controllable and manipulable opponent (Sal). That not being the case, ready to forget. I do bet though that the fastest finishes will see the AP used. It looks like the ideal shortcut to full-out conquest.

We did consider it early enough to take this approach. But it wasn't until the unexpected peace vassaling of Hatty that it really looked like it could become faster. Not anymore. If we finish 3rd, I doubt it has any effect on the final outcome for us anyhow.

So lets get that crazy-train kill-fest a-rollin!

Zhary · Aug 16, 2016

Some more turns are in. Russia are dead so we could start drafting a red army

Our fast army has runned across the mongolian steppe and are at the last mongolian city in the south(still a lot in siberia) where they came across a keshic stack. I thought we could discuss how to proceed there.
Hatty hasnt learned PP yet so it might be faster for us to go RP ourself. A problem is that india is 1 turn from edu and Sal 5 turns.

Log(part1):

Spoiler :

Zhary · Aug 16, 2016

I can continue on the KKD path on Thursday unless someone else wants to take over.
And: We are ready to attack Churs this turn. We was ready already the last turn but then he placed a caravell in position for a fast end of our galleys so I waited 1 more turn.

Log part2:

Spoiler :

SGOTM 23 - Unusual Suspects

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