SGOTM 23 - Unusual Suspects

[kcd_swede]

Good job Zhary
Congrats to awesome Swedish women, beating USA and then Brazil to make finals in Olympic womens football!

I am sure we have RR before we conquer all, even if we tech ourselves. OTOH, why not wait 1-2 turns and see if India goes for Liberalism after EDU. If so, we take it for RP and tech RR. If he goes for something else, or is mostly dead... nah, Hatty will not get RP before Someone gets Lib. So take lib and get the best tech on the RR path. As the warring completes, remember to make workers, and we should already be puting roads down to evaporate any move losses when we build the Orient Express in express fashion.

I can't play, so if you are ready for Thurs, then its yours.

I assume the keshiks are promoted with flanking and more, so it is far better to destroy them in an attack than to try and absorb their attack. Another option is a cease fire (NOT peace deal) to allow us some time to regroup. Then re-DOW when ready.

Another option is to let him take a city and the barrage with trebs, but since we should have no trebs around, that probably would be pointless.

Basically, just kill the stack already and move on.

 

[Ronnie1]

Looks great Zhary!

I almost think we should take Astro from Lib. I think we may be held by razing the island cities in the SE. It would also give us some flexibility if something goes wrong in England.

I would like someone to play 1 turn so we can trade with Hatty and direct her research, but also to see where Gandhi goes next with his tech.

I would just be a little cautious around the keshik stack until we have enough units in place to destroy it.

 

[Zhary]

I don't think anything we do now affect our position so I'm OK with people playing a turn or two without a PPP. Lib Rr and tech astronomy still seems like a better idea than the other way around. In worst case we can lib SP I don't think Gandhi can tech lib faster than we can do RP.
Regarding the war. My two options was try to take the city and hope that we had musketeers that could get CD or wait for reinforcement and meet the stack in open field or in the city.

 

[Zhary]

Unless someone plays 1 turn today I can play ~5 turns tomorrow with enough greens.
PPP:
Tech: Bank money 1 turn then RP->SP
If Gandhi goes Lib we lib SP.

Trade PP and Banking with Hatty and have her reaserch astro for us.

Civics:
27 musketeers is enough. Lets go Buro again to increase the probabilty that we can lib rr. I calculated merc vs foreign trades and found that merc is not a good idea until we have declared on china.

Military:
Attack Chur according to plan. Continue to conquest in Mongolia. Wait for reinforecement to handle the keshik stack. The fast Army continues to attack China while the "slow army" clear out siberia. We gather a new stack that can attack Mao from the south through India.

Build:
Indian ocean cities builds caravell. Plan is that the navy might be able to sail throu India to pick up army for Indonesia before we attack gandi.
Other cities builds cuirs and wealth if we are not able to keep 100% research by conquest gold.

 

[Ronnie1]

Green!

 

[kcd_swede]

Green

 

[Deckhand]

Build:
Indian ocean cities builds caravell.

Caravel?
Shouldn't we build Galleys?

Green

 

[nocho]

Green.

Btw, is there a deadline extension in the end?

 

[Zhary]

We already have 4 galleys the caravells are for protection.

 

[Deckhand]

Btw, is there a deadline extension in the end?

Unknown.
Pollux hasn't announced the result of the poll yet.

 

[Zhary]

1120AD! I said ~5 but it turned out to be 10 turns. Nothing really happpen in the last 5 turns other than the path continued.

We are 2 turns from RR!(1 if building some research) Gandhi went for lib so we libbed SP 3 turns before he could finish.

The war plan against chur should get the general of the year award.
Seriously I loaded the first galleys with 3trebs+2muskets+1 cuir than this happend:

Spoiler :

The first stack died he does a full blockade with caravells. I though for some time if Libbing astro was worth it but then I realized the solution:
Ironclads doesnt need astro!
Now we have shipped a sizeable army to take out London. The clads also have bombarded Londons defence and protected our galley ferrys so that we can ship a continius stream of units. I dont think chur is the last one to fall. Instead I think this city could have been the last if we forgot about it:

Spoiler :

We can use Sals road to get some of the cuirs in the Middle east there in 6 turns so it wont be a problem now.

I can play the last turns on Monday thuesday unless someone else has time.

 

[Deckhand]

The war plan against chur should get the general of the year award.
Seriously I loaded the first galleys with 3trebs+2muskets+1 cuir than this happend:

Spoiler :

The first stack died he does a full blockade with caravells. I though for some time if Libbing astro was worth it but then I realized the solution:
Ironclads doesnt need astro!

Trying to understand timing. Did you drop off first load and reload with what is shown. Then he killed landing force and moved Caravels to block?
Good job with ironclads.

We have almost two weeks left without extension. Let's let others play if available.

 

[Zhary]

Trying to understand timing. Did you drop off first load and reload with what is shown. Then he killed landing force and moved Caravels to block?

Yup you're right

Good job with ironclads.

We have almost two weeks left without extension. Let's let others play if available.

Ok I though it end the 24 without extension but maybe my memory is failing

 

[Deckhand]

Ok I though it end the 24 without extension but maybe my memory is failing

From Maintenance Thread

The completion deadline will now be August 31st.

 

[Ronnie1]

Looks great again Zhary!

I would burn all non coastal cities from here on out, maybe burn them all any way as we don't need any more existing cities at this point.

We do need at least and maybe 2 filler cities on the RR route. Those and some workers should get produced asap imo.

We can direct Hatty to attack Najran, hopefully she can manage it before we finish off the rest.

Ironclads were the clear solution to our naval issues on the RR route. Not sure what I was thinking with Astro, better movement SE is what I will say at this point.

 

[nocho]

Looks like this should be finished in ten turns max.

I'd build some research to get RR the next turn. We should whip some settlers to cover our RR track, specifically to connect Persepolis to Beshbalik. That is if the RR goes through Istanbul eastwards. Otherwise the RR can go through Russia and have a sidetrack Istanbul-Berlin or something.

We can whip heavily, I'd also take nationhood again to draft units, especially for Arabia as maybe relatively light in troops on the southern front.

After RR possibly astro in 3 turns. I'd park the southern galley fleet in Xian and upgrade them there. Should save some turn in getting to the Chinese city in Indonesia.

Probably I could play some turns if needed the coming evenings.

 

[Zhary]

If anyone wants to see the extreme logs with endless battles tell me and I will put them in large enough parts.

 

[nocho]

If anyone wants to see the extreme logs with endless battles tell me and I will put them in large enough parts.

Could be fun.

Maybe just attach it as a flat text file if it's that big.

Do you have the BUFFY log?

 

[kcd_swede]

Nice job!

 

[Zhary]

Logs attached

I tried to cluster the workers in russia since we talked about letting the rr go through there and make a side track to Istanbul.

Regarding Najran I rather make sure that we take out that city than relying on Hatty to do that. She probably won't send her main stack there and only have a 50%-75% chance to take the city with her idea of a sizeable army.