Plan looks good. 
York looks like it'll be a bloodbath!
Would Cats help? With CR1?
York looks like it'll be a bloodbath!
Would Cats help? With CR1?
[BTS] SGOTM 25 - Xteam
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Frederiksberg
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I'll take a look but I'm afraid that it's too late to build new units for the York attack.
We could, however, build some trebs for the London attack instead of cho-ko-nu's. The GG would enable the promotion of a drill 3, barrage 1 treb that could do some real damage before it dies.
I have tested the York attack and we should be successful but may loose 10-12 units.
We could, however, build some trebs for the London attack instead of cho-ko-nu's. The GG would enable the promotion of a drill 3, barrage 1 treb that could do some real damage before it dies.
I have tested the York attack and we should be successful but may loose 10-12 units.
Frederiksberg
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Had a look at the save. I don't see a good way to get a treb to York in reasonable time. I suggest we stick to the plan and accept the losses. Game is over soon anyway so it may not matter much.
We probably need an extra spy for Ravenna. It will expand borders in a couple of turns and we really want to be able to do the revolt and not have both 40% defenses and longbows to combat.
We can build knights for the Munich attack as far away as St. Pete and Nanjing if they are set up this turn and a few strategic roads are built.
Propose to upgrade the two veteran HA's in Rheims.
I may have time to play already tomorrow.
We probably need an extra spy for Ravenna. It will expand borders in a couple of turns and we really want to be able to do the revolt and not have both 40% defenses and longbows to combat.
We can build knights for the Munich attack as far away as St. Pete and Nanjing if they are set up this turn and a few strategic roads are built.
Propose to upgrade the two veteran HA's in Rheims.
I may have time to play already tomorrow.
Yeah, I don't see much choice either. 
GREEN!
Good Luck.
GREEN!
Good Luck.
Well, I see my absence [Apologies -- RL intervened unexpectedly and pervasively.] has been distressingly inconspicuous.
Great progress. I have little to contribute at this point. A siege weapon from Orleans might prove helpful.
I'm away tomorrow but will try to make some contribution this weekend.
BTW, how are the other teams doing?
Great progress. I have little to contribute at this point. A siege weapon from Orleans might prove helpful.
I'm away tomorrow but will try to make some contribution this weekend.
BTW, how are the other teams doing?
Frederiksberg
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Set went well. Several things can delay the victory but we are still moving along according to plan. Most worrisome is the AP VC screen showing only 50% votes when we have 100%. Anyone have an explanation?
Turn set notes
T102: Bomb York. Move knights, cho-ko-nu towards York. Move knights toward the Channel for transfer to London. Spot 4 redcoats in London. Setup last minute knight builds for Munich attack. Move spies to Spy City.
T103: York has a 4th redcoat. Decide to go for delayed attack and bomb London this turn. Move units towards galleys and York. Move spies. Hagia is built!
T104: We survive an attack by an English Trireme. Still 4 redcoats in York. Attack starts with Air strike followed by cho-ko-nu and then the bloodbath will commence. We loose the Cho-ko-nu, 3 swords and a bunch of knights but York is captured! Land 5 knights near London. A little worried if they will be attacked. Trireme attacks on our fleet is also a problem now. We have 6 galleys loaded with units ready to reinforce. The GG gives 2 x 10 XP to two trebs. Micro to get Optics in two. If all goes wrong we need to be able to build a caravel in Paris quickly.
T105: Our spy in Ravenna is discovered. Spiral Minaret, GLib and AP done. Two more to go! A redcoat approaches from north. Pillage roads in front of redcoat to slow him down. Start Versailles. We may need more buffer since the AP victory screen is showing strange numbers (Says 50% votes when we have 100% ??)
>>SAVE<<
Turn set notes
T102: Bomb York. Move knights, cho-ko-nu towards York. Move knights toward the Channel for transfer to London. Spot 4 redcoats in London. Setup last minute knight builds for Munich attack. Move spies to Spy City.
T103: York has a 4th redcoat. Decide to go for delayed attack and bomb London this turn. Move units towards galleys and York. Move spies. Hagia is built!
T104: We survive an attack by an English Trireme. Still 4 redcoats in York. Attack starts with Air strike followed by cho-ko-nu and then the bloodbath will commence. We loose the Cho-ko-nu, 3 swords and a bunch of knights but York is captured! Land 5 knights near London. A little worried if they will be attacked. Trireme attacks on our fleet is also a problem now. We have 6 galleys loaded with units ready to reinforce. The GG gives 2 x 10 XP to two trebs. Micro to get Optics in two. If all goes wrong we need to be able to build a caravel in Paris quickly.
T105: Our spy in Ravenna is discovered. Spiral Minaret, GLib and AP done. Two more to go! A redcoat approaches from north. Pillage roads in front of redcoat to slow him down. Start Versailles. We may need more buffer since the AP victory screen is showing strange numbers (Says 50% votes when we have 100% ??)
>>SAVE<<
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Noble Zarkon
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It's confused because you can't vote yourself as the Religious Leader, we have 144/144 but it's showing as needing 216 i.e. reducing our percentage below the 70% threshold. We might need to ask for a ruling but to me we clearly have 144 votes and no one else has anyso we clearly have 100%.
Frederiksberg
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This is the plan for the last set:
T106: Bomb London. Last units unloaded outside London. GArtist is born and moves towards spy city. DOW Caesar and move units (3 maces + 2 cho-kon-nu's) in along with 3 knights from surrounding cities to be sure.
T107: Air strike London and capture. Move GArtist into Spy City and spread culture. Gift Spy City to Bismarck. Infiltrate. Last Knights arrive at rally point outside Munich. We need 10-12 knights. Do revolt in Ravenna and capture. Whip Sankore.
T108: Capture last English city or accept capitulation if we have enough points. Do espionage culture missions. Recapture Spy City. Air strike Munich and capture. GAME OVER.
Provided that we can conclude we have enough points.
T106: Bomb London. Last units unloaded outside London. GArtist is born and moves towards spy city. DOW Caesar and move units (3 maces + 2 cho-kon-nu's) in along with 3 knights from surrounding cities to be sure.
T107: Air strike London and capture. Move GArtist into Spy City and spread culture. Gift Spy City to Bismarck. Infiltrate. Last Knights arrive at rally point outside Munich. We need 10-12 knights. Do revolt in Ravenna and capture. Whip Sankore.
T108: Capture last English city or accept capitulation if we have enough points. Do espionage culture missions. Recapture Spy City. Air strike Munich and capture. GAME OVER.
Provided that we can conclude we have enough points.
Frederiksberg
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Can you contact the map makers and hear what they have to say?
Frederiksberg
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Good to have you back CP. Maybe you want to do the final set?
Judging from the progress graphs we are in 3rd place. Unsurprisingly the more dedicated teams Home Slices and Phoenix are way ahead and we seem to have built a slight edge compared to US.
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Sure I will do that.
Frederiksberg
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Suggestions for the remaining tasks:
London/Nottingham:
Tech slider to zero T106 after we have discovered Optics. Increase spy slider T107 to use up remaining gold. It may make sense to post a save before the final attack on Berlin to verify that we have enough points before we do the conquest. Versailles will probably not finish in time even with chopping but hopefully we won't need it. Sankore can be whipped T107.
London/Nottingham:
- T106: Unload one Treb and one knight outside London from Northern fleet. Unload two knights from southern galley. Should be more than enough to take London. Unload the remaining 8 units on the icy hill 2N of northern fleet. Bomb London.
- T107: Air strike London and capture. Move units towards Nottingham. Hopefully Churchill will capitulate but if not we have a decent shot at capturing Nottingham
- T108: If Churchill has not capitulated air strike Nottingham and capture. In all cases use unit that cause collateral damage first i.e. start with Treb, then cho-ko-nu, then knights and maces.
- T106: DOW Caesar. This MUST be done this turn before Ravenna expands culture and pushes our units back. Move stack of maces/cho-ko-nus from NE in. Move in fresh knigths from TIanjin, Ningbo and Neapolis.
- T107: Move Knights, trailing cho-ko-nu.
- T108: Attempt revolt with spy and capture.
- T106: Move new GArtist from Guangzhou towards Spy City. It MUST travel the absolute shortest way to get there next turn with movement left.
- T107: Move Gartist into Guangzhou. Spread culture with all 3 GArtists. Gift city to Bismarck. Infiltrate Bismarck with GSpies in Munich and in Spy City. Move units from Yan'an to border of Spy City.
- T108: Do culture spread mission with all spies in Spy City starting with those that have been stationary for the longest time. DOW Bismarck and capture Spy City.
- T106: Move knights and HA's to staging point outside Munich (Lyons or one of the tiles NE, SE or E of Lyons).
- T107: Upgrade HA's if we have the gold.
- T108: If Churchill has capitulated we have bomber support and start with an air strike. Then throw everything against Munich and capture.
Tech slider to zero T106 after we have discovered Optics. Increase spy slider T107 to use up remaining gold. It may make sense to post a save before the final attack on Berlin to verify that we have enough points before we do the conquest. Versailles will probably not finish in time even with chopping but hopefully we won't need it. Sankore can be whipped T107.
Noble Zarkon
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Looks good - I suggest we wait until the game administrators answer our queries in case it changes any of our plans.
Note, I haven't read your thread since about Feb 8.
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Frederiksberg
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Yes, let's wait for a clarification of the rules.
Good. RL intervenes again today.
Frederiksberg
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I think I have found the answer to our question 
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The bug in the reporting of the votes is gone after the resident election. Check this screen shot from a test game I made. The members screen now reports 100% votes as it should.
If there was a requirement that we should be eligible for a victory vote it would have been stated clearly in the rules so I don't expect this interpretation to be the intention of the map maker.
.The bug in the reporting of the votes is gone after the resident election. Check this screen shot from a test game I made. The members screen now reports 100% votes as it should.
If there was a requirement that we should be eligible for a victory vote it would have been stated clearly in the rules so I don't expect this interpretation to be the intention of the map maker.
The "bug" might be caused by not meeting voting prerequisites. In order to propose a AP victory vote, there're 3 2 prerequisites:
1. Every civ needs to have this religion, i.e.be a member of AP religion.
2. No single civ has more than 75% of all votes.
3. The total favorite votes needs to be over 75%.
Therefore, I have the same interpretation with Deckhand. If you are not eligible for a victory vote, the "votes" cannot be counted. Your point from diplomatic ministry is 25.
As to your save, what you need to do is to gift some cities with AP religion to AIs to meet the prerequisites. Nevertheless, this may lessen the points from civil/military ministry.
As long as the voting prerequisites is met, you don't need to wait till the proposition turn. Here's the explanation made on Jan 16, 2018.
1. Every civ needs to have this religion, i.e.be a member of AP religion.
2. No single civ has more than 75% of all votes.
Therefore, I have the same interpretation with Deckhand. If you are not eligible for a victory vote, the "votes" cannot be counted. Your point from diplomatic ministry is 25.
As to your save, what you need to do is to gift some cities with AP religion to AIs to meet the prerequisites. Nevertheless, this may lessen the points from civil/military ministry.
As long as the voting prerequisites is met, you don't need to wait till the proposition turn. Here's the explanation made on Jan 16, 2018.
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