[BTS] SGOTM 25 - Xteam

Noble Zarkon · Mar 19, 2018

leif erikson said:
Shouldn't our stack in Japan be attacking Tokyo first?

We have reinforcements coming expecting Tokyo to be a bit tougher hence the quick strike on Kyoto.

leif erikson said:
On Conquest VC, what are our chances of getting some of these civs to capitulate? Japan, England? France will now?
Or do we want to eliminate them?

We want to eliminate them due to the quirks of the scoring system, we vassalised Roosevelt to avoid having to do an overseas invasion.

Noble Zarkon · Mar 19, 2018

Frederiksberg said:
We now need an analysis of how to complete conquest in 16 turns!!

Toku & DG will fall in the next 6 turns.

Caesar & Bismark will not be difficult.

Churchill is the one that needs a bit of planning, perhaps use the Great Spy in Orleans to scout out English lands?

Frederiksberg · Mar 19, 2018

What NZ said. The attack on Tokyo was postponed because we didn't have the bomber ready (It's tied up in France).

Frederiksberg · Mar 19, 2018

Noble Zarkon said:
Toku & DG will fall in the next 6 turns. Toku has a 3rd city west of Tokyo so it will take a little longer but clearly less than 16 turns. DG should be done in about 6 turns.

Caesar & Bismark will not be difficult. Munich will require some firepower since it has longbows in a hill city. Caesars last city can easily be captured. I'd suggest to take the units in NY and march them west to deal with him

Churchill is the one that needs a bit of planning, perhaps use the Great Spy in Orleans to scout out English lands? Perhaps. Not sure that we want to declare before we have to. Also we dont want the GSpy stranded in England when he should infiltrate Munich to prepare the espionage culture mission. But we do need to send units ahead of the main force to enable bombing missions. I believe a unit on the mainland hill facing London can defog the city and enable bomber attacks.

Noble Zarkon · Mar 19, 2018

Frederiksberg said:
Toku has a 3rd city west of Tokyo so it will take a little longer but clearly less than 16 turns.

Oh, I thought the 3rd city was Spy City.

Frederiksberg · Mar 19, 2018

Noble Zarkon said:
Oh, I thought the 3rd city was Spy City.

I think you are right. I was judging from the culture expanding further west but this could be due to Tokyo having expanded borders two times. During war time you can't trust the number of cities listed in the box in the lower right corner. Let's hope he only has 3 cities.

Noble Zarkon · Mar 19, 2018

Frederiksberg said:
During war time you can't trust the number of cities listed in the box in the lower right corner. Let's hope he only has 3 cities.

I'm sure it was 3 before we declared so fingers crossed.

Frederiksberg · Mar 19, 2018

Ideas for the next few turns:

Trade Banking + 10g for Philo and Currency. Maybe Churchill will start building some markets. And we don't have to bother with gifting spy city to Caesar.
Open borders with Churchill. We want to take a look at York to see what we are up against. Scout with galley.
Build 2-3 more galleys and a trireme (for stack defense) in Paris and Rome.
Whip granary in Loyang. Stop building lighthouses in Baoding, Haerbin and Kaofeng. We are too close to the end for this to make sense. Stop forge builds.
Kyoto attack: T96: Bombard with cat and unload the HA+Knight on the hill. T97 Attack with cat and capture city with remaining forces. Raze city.
Tokyo attack: Galleys at Kyoto return and pick up maces on hill south of Guangzhou. Bring them to hill outside Tokyo. Survivors from Kyoto walk to Tokyo. Bomber is rebased to Guangzhou T97 and starts bombing T98. Do 3-4 bombing runs and an air strike then capture. Re-base bomber to Orleans.
Orleans attack: T96: Air-strike followed by attack. Start with HA from the south.
When Berlin expands next turn build a Confu missionary for Munich. This is VERY IMPORTANT. If Bismarck doesn't have a religion there he will adopt Tao when we gift him Spy City and we don't want this.
Spy City Attack: When the knight in Yan'an is healed or almost healed we should be able to take the city.
Tours attack: A little tricky because of the spear. I suggest we move the sword in Lyons towards Tours in case we need back-up units. I think we need 7 healed units for the attack since we have no bomber support.
The swords in Rome and Cumae should go towards York and maybe be loaded on galleys. The cho-ko-nu can also go towards York. We need to pull all available attacking units towards England. (Not archers and not the chariot in Antium because we need an MP there.
When healed the maces in New York can start a journey to Ravenna (provided that the Tokyo attack is on track.)
Spy slider to 0%, tech slider to 100%. Tech path: Engineering - Paper.
Stop AP build in Yangzhou. It's too slow. Build AP in Beijing and switch Hangzhou to Angkor.
Whip spies in our smaller cities (Our big cities with Tao should be reserved for wonder building). We need at least 30. I will do an exact calculation later. Make sure they can reach Spy City within the next 11 turns factoring in that we get Engineering in two turns. i.e. build spies in distant (but not too distant) cities NOW and later in closer cities.
Build the road marked in this screenshot It saves one turn when we are bringing the 3rd GArtist from Guanzhou to Spy City.
Chop, chop, chop like crazy. All workers start chopping if there are any forests near. We need all hammers for Wonders and spies.
It's too early to speculate about the Churchill attack. We are going to need some knights from Antium and the other cities near England.
Switch Shanghai to Glib next turn. We want to finish it there. Guangzhou can build wealth until the next GArtist is born.
Sistine can be done in Yan'an.
Whip some Knights in Central cities like Nanjing, Chanjing, Chengdu, Moscow, St. Pete. They can still reach England in time if we whip NOW.
Bring the GGeneral to England.

I think each turn set should be no longer than 2-3 turns from now on so that we can adjust in between.

Noble Zarkon · Mar 19, 2018

Will have a go at creating a 2/3 turn PP later on Tuesday.

Just a couple of comments:-

I agree Lighthouses and Forges are not good choices with only 20 turns or so to go!! Sorry!
AP build in Yangzhou is just for overflow.

Frederiksberg · Mar 20, 2018

Noble Zarkon said:
Will have a go at creating a 2/3 turn PP later on Tuesday. Sounds good!

Just a couple of comments:-

I agree Lighthouses and Forges are not good choices with only 20 turns or so to go!! Sorry! Yes, it's a different mindset now that the end is drawing near. Only wonders, spies and knights really make sense now (And gold ofc).

AP build in Yangzhou is just for overflow. That makes sense. We get the OR and State Property bonuses. Good call!

It still makes sense to push some overflow into wonders for fail gold but quite soon we have to focus on completing the wonders.

Noble Zarkon · Mar 20, 2018

Frederiksberg said:
It still makes sense to push some overflow into wonders for fail gold but quite soon we have to focus on completing the wonders.

I was thinking about that - going to be quite complex figuring this picture out!

Frederiksberg · Mar 20, 2018

I believe AP is the most expensive wonder to build so maybe we shouldn't use this for fail gold any more.

Regarding the other wonders note that with our multipliers on whipping we can get around 52-57 hammers per pop in Tao cities (w or w/o forge) so if we can get the last wonders within ~200 hammers of completion in 14-15 turns we can always whip them in the last turn (Provided that all techs are done and that the city building is at least size 8).

As a rule of thumb, I think it's still OK to push overflow into wonders in the next set except for the AP. And we do need to get a little more fail gold for the remaining research

Noble Zarkon · Mar 20, 2018

Frederiksberg said:
if we can get the last wonders within ~200 hammers of completion in 14-15 turns we can always whip them in the last turn

The only issue with that is that the fail gold won't do us much good in those circumstances, we need those with hammers invested to complete in the next 10 turns or so. Glad we are under no time pressure as there is a lot to think about!

Frederiksberg said:
I think it's still OK to push overflow into wonders in the next set except for the AP.

Agreed - after that it becomes a bit doubtful.

Frederiksberg · Mar 20, 2018

Noble Zarkon said:
The only issue with that is that the fail gold won't do us much good in those circumstances, we need those with hammers invested to complete in the next 10 turns or so. Glad we are under no time pressure as there is a lot to think about!

Yes, good point. I think we can afford to whip the wonders earlier than last turn. Especially if we have a lot of fail gold coming. We will get a lot of fail gold from HE plus some capture gold and I think we are almost there when it comes to having enough gold to finish all techs within 16 turns.

Noble Zarkon · Mar 20, 2018

I didn't get a chance to work on the PPP today and am unlikely to do so tomorrow, will have time Thursday definitely but if anyone else wants to do it just speak up.

Frederiksberg · Mar 21, 2018

I can do some turns tonight based on this post. That is 4 hours from now.

Noble Zarkon · Mar 21, 2018

GREEN from me.

leif erikson · Mar 21, 2018

Agree, green

Frederiksberg · Mar 21, 2018

The set went well. de Gaulle is history, Kyoto is razed and we are about to attack Spy City. Tokyo still needs some softening with the bomber and our units are almost in place. Wonder builds are on track and we have knights en route to England and more coming out of Antium every turn. Ten spies are built, about twenty to go.

Turnset notes

T95: Trade for Banking with Churchill, MM’ed all cities and noted how many hammers we have stored for each wonder:

Angkor: 490
HE: 434
TGL: 143
Sistine: 505
AP: 36
-------------------
1608

Seems like we have enough and focus can be on completion!
Set up some spy and knight builds.

T96: Air strike Orleans. Reveal 1 redcoat in York, 3 redcoats in London. Capture Orleans without losses. Spear has advanced from Tours. Will try to lead it into a trap. Bombard Kyoto with cat. Unload units. Whip spies and Knights.

T97: We learn Engineering. Research Paper. Attack Kyoto with cat. It dies but the following 3 maces all win and Kyoto is razed. Re-base bomber to Guangzhou. Do lots of MM and move lots of units

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T98: Trap worked! Destroy de Gaulles spear with an xbow. Capture Tours! De Gaulle is gone. No losses. Bomb Tokyo. There is NO 4th Toku city.

>>SAVE<<

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Noble Zarkon · Mar 21, 2018

Frederiksberg said:
The set went well. de Gaulle is history, Kyoto is razed and we are about to attack Spy City.

Excellent work!
:goodjob:

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