SGOTM 9 - Wacken

[Offa]

Wacken, I think you are being unduly harsh on communism. It you want to look at it in action (admittedly on a far from ideal small empire) we are trying it in goz10 . Anyway, monarchy or communism or thisism or thatism, it really can't matter too much. All we need production for is to stay alive, and surely we can do that. Getting the Indians to build a ship is another matter.

Gozpel, I hope you are OK. You appear to have had a very tough time.

Wacken, you certainly made short work of the Spanish ; I don't suppose you considered providing them with a little reservation rather than destroying them.

 

[gozpel]

Nothing to worry about, Offa. I see the light in the tunnel and might be looking for a job soon enough.

thisism or thatism

Playing soon.

 

[gozpel]

Pre-turn - By adding a bunch of scientists we get the research down to 2 turns. MM some cities for food for the upcoming anarchy and press enter.

1405AD - No movements from the Indians.

We build a few settlers and workers, which we hardly need. Have to find more scientists.

1410AD - We learn Robotics -> Revolt and draw 8 turns.

Sort out cities to avoid starvation, but keep enough scientists to get Espionage in 5t.

Gandhi seems happy with the 2 cities he got.

1415AD - Indian archer moves towards Bergen.

1420AD - No, he doesn't, he changed his mind and walks back. Another archer approaches Copenhagen.

1425AD - Gandhi takes Copenhagen, let's go for Oslo next, please.

1430AD - 4 archers to take Birka, do they need an army to take an undefended city?

1435AD - They take Birka and move on to Oslo.

Learn Espionage, sort out food in our towns, to boost pop. Remaining scientists changed to taxmen. It took quite a while and I get to do it again in 2 turns.

Give indian contact to Osman and then give him all techs.

1440AD - India is finally on par as they take Oslo and GLib.

Disband some bombers and cavs in the cities India will get, to hurry up production. They're on a roll now and only need another 7 or 8 cities.

Gift Ottomans 4 cities, 3 on the old spanish island and another island S, they now have 2 aluminium and 2 uranium.

1445AD - We are a Monarchy. Sort out cities.

Bleh, dunno what to build, start some markets and courts around the capitol and FP in New York. We probably get a leader before it finish, I trained a bunch of elites on the spanish island and got rid of some 7-8 barbhuts.

India continue marching on to our cities. They got some pollution, so I send half a dozen workers into their territory as a "donation".

1450AD - India takes Stockholm.

I lost the plot and next player can change builds to whatever.

We're making around 550gpt atm.

I'm not quite sure, but it looks like Ottomans and India are trading resources?

 

[WackenOpenAir]

It's up to Xevious now.
He hasn't been heard from in 10 days, I hope he is still here.

 

[WackenOpenAir]

Gozpel , i think you have been a little too enthusiastic about disbanding bombers. They are very usefull for destroying Vessels in the future.

Please just disband Risor to make New York our capital.
Then change FP build to intelligence agency and rework the surroundings for our new core. That includes disbanding the settler building villages (just rush build those settlers) around NY.

I see the airstrips on Spanish island are gone. There is no hurry, but i recomment we have 10 airstrips on each of the 3 continents.

I think we should also give India some more workers.

 

[Xevious]

I'm here, just trying to muster the enthusiasm to get back into this.
I will make a concerted effort to play this tonight.

 

[Xevious]

I'm sorry guys, but you're going to have to pass me. I sat down at this thing 3 times tonight and just can't get into it. I will keep watching the thread but I think I'm done playing. I apologize for not posting this sooner.

 

[Wotan]

OK, I guess it is my turn now. Will have a look at the save later today and hopefully play tomorrow at the latest.

 

[gozpel]

Gozpel , i think you have been a little too enthusiastic about disbanding bombers. They are very usefull for destroying Vessels in the future.

Yeah, I went a little overboard there, but we still have 10 bombers and realistically, how much of a threat is India? They will have like 4-5 coastal cities And on average, you'd need 3 bombers to sink a destroyer or whatever. No need to get paranoid here, it's just a waiting game from here on. Our land-army is quite impressive and we have heaps of elite MA's.

And if worst comes to worst, we can buy a few more bombers. No major drama, I just wanted India to get developed cities, so they don't start building expensive mass transits.

We only have to give them 7 or so cities and we can hunker down by the chokes.


And answer your PM's, WOA!

 

[Wotan]

Turn log

0 – 1450AD
Disband Risor, NY now our new capital. FP now started in Odense2. Will take a settler from each city around NY before disbanding them.

1 – 1455AD
RCP rings at 4 and 6 established around NY.

IBT: We lost Aarhus and India move a unit next to Odense.

2 – 1460AD
Some worker action.

IBT: Odense falls to the Indian hordes… No other action taken by them.

3 – 1465AD
Nada

IBT: Otto and India sign a trade agreement vs. us.

4 – 1470AD
…

5 – 1475AD
A worker moved into Indian territory.

6 – 1480AD
The worker is still ours and next to Odense. The Indians have Mech Infantry in Odense but not interested in capturing the busy little guy…

7 – 1485AD
Otto have researched communism.

8 – 1490AD
Not much.

9 – 1495AD
Keep moving the worker deeper and deeper into Indian territory.

10 – 1500AD
Docking Bay ready. Cleared some pollution next to Stavanger. NO Indian action after my second turn????

Summary.

Not much to report, India is a really sleepy giant…

Otto have Communism.

Intelligence Agency ready in 2 turns.

 

[WackenOpenAir]

Ok, i guess there is not much more we can do to speed up India.

We can take some more ground and we can disband a few more cities around NY to give space for the remaining ones. We can also build more workers to send into India. They will take them some day i'd think.

 

[Wotan]

Is it really the best option to let India contol just a fraction of the continent? Will they build SS parts and not just build military untis in a futile attempt to get us off the continent? If they contol a large empire isn't the chances better they start builing other than military?

 

[WackenOpenAir]

No, they should have all of our core. But i don't see any reason to give them ICS ground.

Too bad i made a mistake by not doing what i posted myself 10 pages ago . Should have held on to the TGL city until they took the rest of our core so that they will be building cheap units to conquer the core. Should have opened the non TGL cities a bit earlier. Let's hope this doesn't come at the cost of victory.

 

[Offa]

I think India is quite big enough, certainly big enough to build Apollo. If it got much bigger it might get even more aggressive and less inclined to build a space ship.

We have surely entered the random phase of this game. Short of crossing our fingers, and planting a spy to see what is happening, there isn't much to be done. I would have thought that getting going with our own spaceship should be harmless, but don't know whether or not it will spur the Indians on.

 

[gozpel]

Let's just move on with the roster, Dman is obviously inhibited now.

 

[Wotan]

Dman was last online on friday so I guess he is a busy little bee at his new job.

 

[Offa]

I'll play then; not much to do so it should be quick.

 

[Offa]

1500
I quite fancy having sanitation so I push up the research rate.

1bt Ottoman and India declare war against one another, so it’s no resources for India.

1505

Ibt Bodo falls to the rampant Indians.

1510
Intelligence Agency finished.
Fail to plant spy in India. Plant one with Ottomans: he has one spear, 4 infantry and one mech infantry. The Indians must be trembling.

Our worker in Indian territory starts to clear Indian pollution (next to Rekjavik): Gandhi really ought to do this himself.

1515
Fail to plant spy again: prob ought to wait a couple more turns.

1535
Sanitation Learnt. Start advanced flight at minimum.
Plant a spy in Rekjavik.

The Indians are now a Republic: I hope war weariness won’t be a problem.

After clearing India’s pollution our workers have to hurry back towards our own.

1540

Ibt the Indians finally steal some of our workers.

1545
Forbidden Palace finished in Odense 2.

Ibt
I had moved the berserk back onto the main continent. He gets attacked by an archer (which dies) then a tank, which kills him.

1550
Build a town on the Ottoman Island (formerly Spain).

I can’t help thinking we would be better off in Communism, but I suppose it doesn’t matter much.


This variant is unfortunately not working very well in these latter stages, as we are at the mercy of the idiot AI.

http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/sgotm9/Wacken_SG009_AD1550_01.SAV

 

[Offa]

Come on down, let's be having you.

I know this game is in auto pilot mode to an extent, but I think we ought to really get a move on. The turns take almost no time.

Surely you're not playing civ4, a game for which I have failed to develop any enthusiasm.

 

[gozpel]

I have it and will play later today.