I'll just echo some of the comment already made here, including: -- FFH2 has ruined Vanilla Civ4 for me; every time I try to play it, my eyes glaze over. It's just too dull and monotonous compared to FFH2. -- I've got 30+ years in IT and have developed at least one commercial computer game from scratch (23 years ago), and I'm very impressed with the quality and the speed of the development of the mod itself and the patches. -- The game design is brilliant. Yes, you're building on top of Civ4, but see the first point above. Most 4X games attempt to give each race/civ a 'different strategy', but the differences usually seem arbitrary. In FFH2, the differences may or may not be subtle, but they're usually very significant and cohesive. Looking forward to Shadow. ..fritz..