Shadrak Ibrahim?

[Homie]

I've had these words buzzing in my head alot lately. Does anybody know what language they are (if any) and what they mean (if anything)?

Shadrak Ibrahim, or Shadrac Ibrahim, or Shadrack Ibrahim. (Don't know how it would be spelled)

and also:

Shadrak Abed-Nego (with the various spellings for Shadrak)

I know Abed-Nego is in the Bible, although I haven't read it recently so I find it odd it would pop ut in my mind. And I have a feeling (don't know from where) that Ibrahim is arab for Abraham, or Abram as he was first called.

Does anybody know anything aout these words, they need not be names at all, I don't know.

 

[Elrohir]

Well, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego were all characters in the Bible. They were Jews taken to Babylon in the captivity, and thrown into the firey furnace for not bowing down and worshipping Nebuchadnezzar. I have no idea about the Shadrak Ibrahim thing.

 

[Homie]

So Shadrak is one of those as well. Abed-Nego made me think of that story, but I didn't know that Shadrak was one of those as well. I haven't read that story in over a year, weird that their names would pop up now, they sort of linger in the back of my mind lately. And the words are sort of stuck togerther in my mind, like Shadrak-Ibrahim.

So, do you know about Ibrahim?

 

[Elrohir]

Well, like you said, it might be a form of Abraham, who as I'm sure you know, was one of the important Patriarchs. Other than both being important figures in Jewish history, I can't think of any specific connection between them; they lived about 600 years apart.

 

[Homie]

Thanks.

No one else has any info on the word/name Ibrahim?

 

[The Last Conformist]

Ibrahim is the Arabic form of Abraham.

 

[Homie]

My suspcions confirmed. Thanks TLC. I wonder how I knew that, must have heard it sometime. Weird.

Anyway, how did a swede like yourself know the arabic name for Abraham?

 

[atreas]

My suspcions confirmed. Thanks TLC. I wonder how I knew that, must have heard it sometime. Weird.

Anyway, how did a swede like yourself know the arabic name for Abraham?

It doesn't need a degree in linguistics - just look at the name and substitute two vowels. A(I)braha(i)m.

 

[The Last Conformist]

No doubt, I've picked it up during my historical studies. Abraham/Ibrahim being an important figure in Islam, it's been a popular name in the Arabic world, and cultures under it's influence. It's most famous bearer is perhaps Ibrahim the Mad, Ottoman Sultan 1640-48.

 

[Homie]

Atreas, I know it sounds similar, maybe that's why I guessed it was Abraham. But I wouldn't say I knew it for sure if someone asked me, I would say it was a calculated guess. TLC presented it as a fact, not as a guess, so I asked him how he KNEW that, not how he guessed that.

 

[atreas]

I happened to know it for sure because there was an Egyptian general with that name who played a significant part in the Greek revolution, a topic that here in Greece is taught at the schools. But the small trick with the vowels is a very common one - usually the root remains the same and only some vowels change.

I was always fascinated with another thing: the extreme similarity between the words Brahma and Abraham. When you see words with exactly the same letters (except from a few vowels) it becomes really interesting.

 

[The Last Conformist]

I was always fascinated with another thing: the extreme similarity between the words Brahma and Abraham. When you see words with exactly the same letters (except from a few vowels) it becomes really interesting.

Abraham means "Father (is) exalted", from the Semitic roots `b "father" and rwm "to exalt". I can't find the etymology of Brahma in a hurry, but it would seem to presuppose a IE form *bragh-mn or similar, or at least a root *bragh-.

 

[atreas]

Abraham means "Father (is) exalted", from the Semitic roots `b "father" and rwm "to exalt". I can't find the etymology of Brahma in a hurry, but it would seem to presuppose a IE form *bragh-mn or similar, or at least a root *bragh-.

If I remember well Brahma means something like "he who multiplies", which isn't very far away from "father".

 

[Winterfell]

Abraham means "Father (is) exalted", from the Semitic roots `b "father" and rwm "to exalt". I can't find the etymology of Brahma in a hurry, but it would seem to presuppose a IE form *bragh-mn or similar, or at least a root *bragh-.

Actually, this name is originaly Hebrew, and is pronuonced Avraham, with a V, not a B. The meaning is quite different than what you said - it is said in the bible Avraham's first name was Avram - which means High father (Av-father, Ram-high). This name was considered polytheistic, so when god started speaking to him he changed his name and added the H. Thus Avraham.

 

[The Last Conformist]

@atreas: Maybe, but the structure of the words would seem to exclude any possibility of genetic relationship.

 

[The Last Conformist]

Actually, this name is originaly Hebrew, and is pronuonced Avraham, with a V, not a B. The meaning is quite different than what you said - it is said in the bible Avraham's first name was Avram - which means High father (Av-father, Ram-high). This name was considered polytheistic, so when god started speaking to him he changed his name and added the H. Thus Avraham.

You might want to take up the etymology with the American Heritage Dictionary.

As for the V vs. B issue, that's just inane - it's well-known that Semitic *B often becomes V in Hebrew.

 

[Winterfell]

Well, I think I know my mother tongue and the bible quite well to know what it means better than The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, but what the heck.

 

[The Last Conformist]

Well, I think I know my mother tongue and the bible quite well to know what it means better than The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, but what the heck.

Evidence would seem to indicate you don't, at least not ancient forms thereof.

As for the Bible, it's of next to no value for etymology.

 

[Winterfell]

Whoops, it seems I didnt read correctly and for some reason exalted looked like exiled to me. Sorry for that.
So I did some research in hebrew and english resources - Avram also means exalted, but Avraham doesn't.