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[Tomoyo]

Guess I learned not to play carelessly just because someone's rating is lower than mine. I managed to eek out a win, but I played very quickly in the first thirty moves or so, and ended up with a very tight endgame that was probably drawn at one point or another. (63. ... Bf3 looks like it draws in fact, though that was a direct result of me not seeing a winning move several moves before)

http://www.chess.com/echess/game.html?id=13178410

 

[Narz]

50. Nd4 seems to be the move where you are no longer winning. Instead, Nc5 is the much better move.

Yeah, I noticed that much. I'll go over your other variations also, thanks Panz. Feel better!

Edit : holy shoot, 46. Ng4 is brilliant! The chess.com comp didn't see it at all. I love it.

 

[Narz]

Guess I learned not to play carelessly just because someone's rating is lower than mine. I managed to eek out a win, but I played very quickly in the first thirty moves or so, and ended up with a very tight endgame that was probably drawn at one point or another. (63. ... Bf3 looks like it draws in fact, though that was a direct result of me not seeing a winning move several moves before)

http://www.chess.com/echess/game.html?id=13178410

Yeah, I have games lot that. Especially in blitz. Which is why I don't play fast so much. Of course it's all the more painful to miss opportunities in longer games but it's the nature of the game.

At least you pulled it off in the end.

 

[Panzar75]

Guess I learned not to play carelessly just because someone's rating is lower than mine. I managed to eek out a win, but I played very quickly in the first thirty moves or so, and ended up with a very tight endgame that was probably drawn at one point or another. (63. ... Bf3 looks like it draws in fact, though that was a direct result of me not seeing a winning move several moves before)

After 20...Bxg3 the computer had one of those sudden rushes in evaluation in a position where you didn't expect there to be that much of a difference between the moves. If you look at the position though it doesn't take long to figure it out if you know there is something to look for.

Spoiler :

21. Qxg3 and despite it being black's turn the knight on e7 is a good example of the "pin it and win it" principle (Re1 and/or Qe5 followed by taking it). Also, black's king is not that safe and it can end quickly if black isn't careful.

21. f6 did also win a piece. But there is a better continuation then 23. fxe7. "If you see a good move, look for a better one".

Spoiler :

23. Rhe1 White activates another piece and gains more good options. In many lines Rxe7 will turn out to be better than fxe7.

25..Bxh3 is a game-ending blunder for black. It's neccessary to play Bf5. After the sequence of moves ending with 29...Kf8 the forcing moves are over and it's time for white to decide on how to continue. Black's king is extremely exposed, in fact it currently hs only one square to move to. That's almost check mate. If we could take away one more square and then check the game would be over already. White has all three pieces joined in the attack while black's pieces aren't that well coordinated for the defence. This is where many large flashing red lights should go off in your mind and tell you to look really hard for a mating sequence. Turns out there is one.

Spoiler :

First remove the last flight square for the king with 30. Re1 the threat is now Qh8+, Kf7, Re7# the only reasonable attempt is to block the rook with 30...Be6 but now it's another mate in 5.

Spoiler :

31. Be7+ Ke8 32. Bd6 Ra7 33. Qg8+ Kd7 34. Qxe6+ Kd8 35. Qe8#

After 55...dxc3 56. Kxc3 Ke5 it looks like a dead draw

Why not play 59. Rxa2, it's a free pawn after all. You did see the same tactic a few moves later.

63...Bf3 does not draw. Simply Ra7 and b7 wins easily. Did you mean at another move number?

 

[Panzar75]

@Narz: Well, the chess.com evaluation engine is really bad. It keeps telling me I blundered because I chose a variation that was -6.34 rather than the "winning" -6.37.

Thanks, I've been sick since Sunday but I do feel slightly better today.

 

[Narz]

Yeah, I know, it's obnoxious (the chess.com engine). Not very instructive either.

 

[Tomoyo]

After 20...Bxg3 the computer had one of those sudden rushes in evaluation in a position where you didn't expect there to be that much of a difference between the moves. If you look at the position though it doesn't take long to figure it out if you know there is something to look for.

Yep, just taking the bishop is miles better. Threats of Re1 wins the knight enough.

21. f6 did also win a piece. But there is a better continuation then 23. fxe7. "If you see a good move, look for a better one".

Heh, I saw Rhe1 about three seconds after I clicked "submit move." That was one of my hastier moves.

25..Bxh3 is a game-ending blunder for black. It's neccessary to play Bf5. After the sequence of moves ending with 29...Kf8 the forcing moves are over and it's time for white to decide on how to continue. Black's king is extremely exposed, in fact it currently hs only one square to move to. That's almost check mate. If we could take away one more square and then check the game would be over already. White has all three pieces joined in the attack while black's pieces aren't that well coordinated for the defence. This is where many large flashing red lights should go off in your mind and tell you to look really hard for a mating sequence. Turns out there is one.

Ugh, I see it. Re1. Something like 30. ... Be6 31. Qh8+ Kf7 32. Qf6+ Kg8 followed by winning stuff...

After 55...dxc3 56. Kxc3 Ke5 it looks like a dead draw
Why not play 59. Rxa2, it's a free pawn after all. You did see the same tactic a few moves later.

Yeah...

63...Bf3 does not draw. Simply Ra7 and b7 wins easily. Did you mean at another move number?

No, I'm just bad at this.

 

[Panzar75]

No, I'm just bad at this.

Hehe... don't be too hard on yourself. It's easy to miss the simplest things. I for one just made a really bad mistake in this game. After 7. Be2 the queen cannot really be trapped but I looked and looked at how I could exploit the fact that it has very limited mobility. I looked as far ahead as move 14 or so in the game and thought I would be a rook up. What I totally missed was the simple reply 9. Qh4 [EDIT: Yes I meant Qh4] and suddenly white is better. Duh! Fortunately for me he didn't spot that one...

Further more if I ever get a second chance at these opening moves (odds anyone?) I will try 4...Nf6 and give the pawn for development. I need to learn not to be so materialistic.

 

[Narz]

You mean Qh4?

Yeah, that would have turned the tables somewhat.

 

[Qickly]

could some one tell me what I did wrong in this game

1. e4 e5
2. d3 Nf6
3. Nf3 Nc6
4. Bg5 Be7
5. Nc3 Bb4
6. Nxe5 Nxe5
7. Qd2 h6
8. Bf4 Ng6
9. Be3 Ng4
10. f3 Nxe3
11. Qxe3 Qf6
12. O-O-O Bxc3
13. d4 Ba5
14. Bb5 c6
15. Ba4 b5
16. Bb3 O-O
17. d5 d6
18. dxc6 Be6
19. Rxd6 Qe7
20. Rd5 Bxd5
21. exd5 Qxe3+
22. Kb1 Qf2
23. Rd1 Rad8
24. d6 Qc5
25. c7 Rc8
26. d7 Rxc7
27. d8=Q Rxd8
28. Rxd8+ Nf8
29. c4 Re7
30. Bc2 Bxd8
31. Bf5 Re2
32. b4 Qxb4+
33. Ka1 Qe1+
34. Bb1 bxc4
35. g4 c3
36. g5 Qd2
37. gxh6 Qb2#

 

[Narz]

I assume you're black?

 

[Qickly]

Sorry I was white in this game.

 

[Narz]

oh, right, black won. Ok, here's my commentary (Panzar can probably add more than me, I'm just looking thru, not using a computer) :

2. d3 (kind of passive, better to get the bishop out first with Bc4 after playing Nf3 first)

6. Nxe5 (why? you are losing a piece!)

13. d4 (better to take back the bishop even if black's queen does penetrate)

20. Rd5 (nooo, he's gonna take it!)

21. exd5 (nooooooooooooooo, that pawn was pinned you had to take back with the bishop!!!)

it's always nice to have passed pawns but being down so much material & without enough supporting pieces, it's usually not enough

30. Bc2 (he opened a discovered attack on your rook, also Bc2 appears to lead to mate (I didn't calculate, just going on intuition) starting with 30. ... Re1+, the bishop must block, then black takes your rook & eventually mates you with rook, bishop & queen)

33. ... Qe1+ (Qb2# is faster)
34. .... bxc4 (Qd2 is faster, mate in 2)

Overall, you just have to not give away pieces, make sure to watch out for discovered attacks & pins & hone your tactics better. You're a beginner but so is your opponent. Two weeks of studying tactics & making sure not to give away pieces and you'll be able to beat him. That's my Narz guarentee.

 

[Qickly]

Thanks Narz I will work on my tactics. I am really really new to this game.

 

[Narz]

Well welcome. I started late in life at it myself. One fun way to learn about the thought process behind the moves is to join our team games over on chess.com.

A few beginners books from the library will do you much good also, especially basic tactical books. Tactics really are the beauty of chess (though there is certainly some beauty is subtle strategic concepts also as well as endgames, openings and the whole flow of the game) so studying them, especially in the beginning should prove very rewarding.

 

[Qickly]

I joined today and I plan on going by the library today

 

[Narz]

Excellent!

 

[DaveShack]

Here's a nice little trap I just pulled off. Kinda like a helpmate, it was designed to invite my opponent to make the move that opened up the mate possibility, and it worked!

http://www.chess.com/echess/game.html?id=13134361

JAZZYMOVES vs DaveShack
1. d4 d5
2. b4 Nf6
3. f3 Bf5
4. Nc3 e6
5. a3 Nc6
6. b5 Na5
7. e3 Bd6
8. h3 Bg3+
9. Kd2 O-O
10. Nge2 Nc4#
0-1

 

[Tomoyo]

Hehehe, one of the only two moves that would have allowed a mate. Nice mate. It's kinda cool how there were no captures in that game.

 

[Narz]

Pretty jazzy alright.