Should Civfanatics just make one "Civ V Criticism Thread"?

Should Civfanatics just make one "Civ V Criticism Thread"?

  • Yes

    Votes: 145 43.4%

  • No

    Votes: 189 56.6%
  • Total voters
    334
Don't you think it's hilarious that people posting criticism, often constructive and using previous iterations of the game as comparizon are being labeled as haters&whiners and being whined about?

OP, what good for Civ5 you're doing? What sort of insight you offer for the devs or modding community? Does your thread help in any way to develop Civ5?

Why all those anonimous haters are not creating threads "oh I wish those who like Civ5 would just shut up!" "Let's make one thread >>I love Civ5<< cause I can't have a proper discussion without some (insult here) being gay (as in overly positive) about all my arguments and criticism?"

The answer is: because they care for civilization series so much that they understand the fact of voicing their opinion being important for improvement. Because they are civfanatics, very passionate about the game that accompanied them throughout most of their lives.

Because they're not haters at all.
 
 
 
At this point this forum is a bad place to discuss the game because any actual discussion about the game are drowned out by 98249824 different threads whining about criticisms of the game and proclaiming it as being worthy of its inflated review scores overlooking its severe shortcomings, imbalances, bugs and weaknesses. While I suppose it will bother the people who feel their original and unique fanboy praises of the game need to be heard in separate threads, I think one thread for all these "the game is perfect and damn anyone who disagrees" comments and harsh punishments for people who violate the rule (i.e try to be special snowflakes) would do a lot to help improve the Civ V forum.
 
SuperJay said:
So you consider any and all criticism to be "hating?" Better yet - which 10 threads? Can you list them?

The polls evened out, in my estimation. There were more than four polls, but only four that were polls regarding the quality or satisfaction with the game. One was "Best Civ version ever" and one was "Worst Civ version ever;" the other two were neither pro or con.

Like I said, I can provide details if you so desire.
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C~G said:
About what?

That there are numerous issues about the game that people want to talk about? :lol:

That might contain negative comments about the game features and criticism?
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I was showing the above poster some hating topics.
 
Skwink Caesar said:
I can go on...
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I don't think you're choosing very supportive examples if you really are trying to show how many "hate" threads there are in Civ 5 - General.

Out of 10 those threads you linked, only one was really a "Hate" thread. (The "worst letdown ever" one.)

One was a parody of a hate thread. Two were people experiencing bugs with the patch. One was a lament from someone missing the hotseat mode. One was expressing confusion over behind-the-scenes calcs. One was a pretty reasonable discussion about disatisfaction with the game. One was an issue with a city-state type. One is someone having problems with Steam.

Given that you provided these as examples of "hate" threads, it appears that you view anyone writing about any bug or question or disappointment in the game as a "hater," no matter what the tone, behavior, or actual content of the thread may be. That's an interesting problem.
 
Skwink Caesar said:
I was showing the above poster some hating topics.
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What exactly constitutes for you as "hating"?

Someone who doesn't like particular feature of game and have criticism towards it or someone reporting something that has encountered while playing?

For me "hating" is just form of saying "this game is crap", in general fashion. But not all those threads are like that.

You even included someone complaining about lack of multiplayer (hotseat problem) as "hating"? :confused:

If that sets you off, I seriously suggest you never ever even mildly amuse yourself with the thought of browsing ANY message board in the Internet.
 
Skwink Caesar said:
I was showing the above poster some hating topics.
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And I can point to numerous dismissive and insulting posts from Civ 5 fans...including the obnoxious post that started this thread. What, precisely, does this prove?

If you want a forum where dissenting opinions are shut down and closed you can go to the 2K forums, where critical posters get warned and get their threads shut down. of course, their traffic is a lot lower than here (judging from thread views).

If you want a forum to discuss strategy go to the strategy forums. It's pretty much about the game there and not people venting about the game.

If you see individual posts that are not constructive you can report them.

In short, there are a lot of outlets other than "I don't like to see criticism of my beloved game and want everyone who disagrees with me to have their posts moved where I won't see them."
 
SuperJay said:
I don't think you're choosing very supportive examples if you really are trying to show how many "hate" threads there are in Civ 5 - General.

Out of those threads you linked, I think maybe one was really a "Hate" thread. (The "worst letdown ever" one.)

One was a parody of a hate thread. Two were people experiencing bugs with the patch. One was a lament from someone missing the hotseat mode. One was expressing confusion over behind-the-scenes calcs. One was a pretty reasonable discussion about disatisfaction with the game. One was an issue with a city-state type. One is someone having problems with Steam.

Given that you provided these as examples of "hate" threads, it appears that you view anyone writing about any bug or question or disappointment in the game as a "hater," no matter what the tone, behavior, or actual content of the thread may be. That's an interesting problem.
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Bugs: One was a guy who didn't know what he was even talking about. They don't even belong in this area.

Hotseat: More ranting.

Calcs: Said game was ********, hating on it.

CS: More pointless ranting

Steam: "I hate Steam" more Ranting

Two were pure hating ones. "civ v criticism, or, how i learned to start worrying and hate the game"

This is a thread about creating a Criticism thread. I should not be calling all these hatings, but rants that could go well in a sub forum or something similar.
 
C~G said:
About what?

That there are numerous issues about the game that people want to talk about? :lol:

That might contain negative comments about the game features and criticism?
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That there is a Suggestions and Bug forum for complaining about Bugs. I know you guys may like to read the 30th thread on bad AI to help justify your opinion and/or stroke your ego, but at some point you have to start questioning whether it does any good anymore.

Not to mention, considering you guys seem to think Firaxis has betrayed and abandoned you forever for the console market *(another complaint that is parroted all too often on this forum), why do you think they'd pay any attention to those threads anyway? I'm sensing some hypocrisy.
 
Can anyone advocating for all critical posts to be rolled into one thread please address the criticism of that policy levied by both me and the mod? I've seen a lot of posts advocating this policy for a defined benefit, but none that addresses the problems of such a policy. An analysis of the trade-offs would be most constructive. Opponents of this policy have stated that the inherent problems, whatever they may be, are worth it because the presence of constructive criticisms and the ability to express personal views enrich the board community. Although I could be wrong, I've seen no such analysis from the proponents of this policy, but instead only a consideration of the harms of having multiple threads.

All decisions and policies have inherent trade-offs. They all must be considered.
 
Skwink Caesar said:
Bugs: One was a guy who didn't know what he was even talking about. They don't even belong in this area.
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But they're not "hating." They're two people who installed the patch and then experienced the game crashing. That's a legitimate complaint.

Hotseat: More ranting.
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Ranting?!? The guy was disappointed because he gave his wife Civ 5 as a birthday gift, only to find they couldn't play it together as they'd expected. That's "hating" to you?

Calcs: Said game was ********, hating on it.
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...because he couldn't understand the calculations and was frustrated. You cherry-picked one sentence as the reason the whole thread is "hating."

CS: More pointless ranting
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Pointless to you, sure - but that doesn't make it "hating."

Steam: "I hate Steam" more Ranting
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So "hating" is someone being irritated by problems with Steam?

Two were pure hating ones. "civ v criticism, or, how i learned to start worrying and hate the game"
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Try re-reading that one again. :lol: It was a fake hate thread posted to flame other posters here, and it was closed for trolling.

Listen, I know you're frustrated; I understand that. I really do. I'm not being hostile or a jerk to you by disagreeing, nor am I defending the worst kind of behavior (because that comes from both sides). But you have to understand that being on the Internet means you're going to encounter people that you don't agree with. If disagreement = "hating" to you, then you may want to reconsider participating in any Internet forums.
 
ohioastronomy said:
In short, there are a lot of outlets other than "I don't like to see criticism of my beloved game and want everyone who disagrees with me to have their posts moved where I won't see them."
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There are also a lot of constructive things one could do other than flood positive threads about the game with NO YOU'RE WRONG THIS GAME SUCKS.
 
Palfouri said:
That there is a Suggestions and Bug forum for complaining about Bugs. I know you guys may like to read the 30th thread on bad AI to help justify your opinion and/or stroke your ego, but at some point you have to start questioning whether it does any good anymore.

Not to mention, considering you guys seem to think Firaxis has betrayed and abandoned you forever for the console market *(another complaint that is parroted all too often on this forum), why do you think they'd pay any attention to those threads anyway? I'm sensing some hypocrisy.
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You are doing what you accuse others of doing. There are plenty of constructive criticisms, but you generalize about all critics. This isn't fair.
 
SuperJay said:
But they're not "hating." They're two people who installed the patch and then experienced the game crashing. That's a legitimate complaint.



Ranting?!? The guy was disappointed because he gave his wife Civ 5 as a birthday gift, only to find they couldn't play it together as they'd expected. That's "hating" to you?



...because he couldn't understand the calculations and was frustrated. You cherry-picked one sentence as the reason the whole thread is "hating."



Pointless to you, sure - but that doesn't make it "hating."



So "hating" is someone being irritated by problems with Steam?



Try re-reading that one again. :lol: It was a fake hate thread posted to flame other posters here, and it was closed for trolling.

Listen, I know you're frustrated; I understand that. I really do. I'm not being hostile or a jerk to you by disagreeing, nor am I defending the worst kind of behavior (because that comes from both sides). But you have to understand that being on the Internet means you're going to encounter people that you don't agree with. If disagreement = "hating" to you, then you may want to reconsider participating in any Internet forums.
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Please see my other post.

Also, the "I HATE Steam" part kinda told that to me.
 
masterminded said:
I've seen a lot of posts advocating this policy for a defined benefit, but none that addresses the problems of such a policy. ust be considered.
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What problems? The whole idea was based off of E:TW's thread at the Total War Center which has absolutely no problems. The only reason o say no is because you want to make sure EVERYONE can read your original and unique complain instead of competing with people complaining about the same thing.
 
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