Should I road a jungle first or cut it first?

[BrutalGodProjek]

I got my second city completely surrounded by jungle, should I cut down the jungle first and then build a road on the tile or the other way around? I got some spice and silk on a jungle tile, and I just want to know if I should cut the jungle first or just road it first to get the lux connected quick and just cut the jungle after?

 

[garric]

It was a bad idea to build the city there in the first place, but cutting down jungles takes about 20 or so turns? I suggest that you just make another city asap and road to the luxury. Cutting down jungles just takes WAY too long. No offense.

 

[klopolov]

It depends... If you are going to send a lot of workers to cut down one tile of jungels, then it would be a good idea to build the road first. Definately connect the luxury first though.
I challenged myself a short while ago by playing game where I started almost completely surrounded by jungles. I had stacks of 3-4 worker on each tile cutting down the jungle and then building mines and roads on them... Worked fine for me, I won the game...

EDIT: and it is not a bad idea to build cities in the jungles, just not the first few... unless, of course, there are no other options... There is such nice green land under those jungles...

 

[Padma]

How badly do you need that lux? It takes longer to road, Then chop, than it does to Chop, then Road.

 

[BrutalGodProjek]

How badly do you need that lux? It takes longer to road, Then chop, than it does to Chop, then Road.

the city surrounded by all the jungle was gained through a goody hut exploding. I had no choice in the matter, but it does have a spice. I guess, Ill chop that badboy off and road then....

 

[mikehunt]

I usually road first just so that I don't lose movement points in that tile while it's being chopped. unless absolutely necessary I usually avoid jungles until I have a surplus of workers so that I can send in multiple ones to chop

 

[Tom_Bombadil]

It's completely surrounded by jungle, no resources, concentrate on more productive cities. If you are cramped between enemy borders and the only thing you can do to expand is to improve your terrain and cities, then chop it down first. If there is a luxury resources you want, just road it up as quickly as possible and go on to more important things.

 

[xiaoafei]

i suggest that you just build road to get the lux. to cut down jungles is really a mission impossible in early stage of a game. even if you have enough workers, you could just let them do more important things. acturally, for workers there are numerous works way more important than cutting jungles throughout a whole game.

 

[Turner]

I like to road first, so I can bring in more workers to clear the jungle. Speeds it up just a tad.

 

[BrutalGodProjek]

I like to road first, so I can bring in more workers to clear the jungle. Speeds it up just a tad.

Umm, thats what I was thinking first before I started the thread. I'm really early in my game, probably not yet all my first ten turns. I just stumbled upon it with a warrior and as I said before, got a free city. I never had a second city this early, well first time I have such a close hut at such a early time. I would like to make it producitve though, even though its surrounded by jungle, I'm up to the task. The city will expand in nine and I ordered a worker to be done at the same time. So in nine, I got a worker, and I plan to pump out more from the same place and focus on making that city productive. I would post a pic, so that you can have a better idea of the land around me, but I have no screenshot software.

 

[Turner]

I would post a pic, so that you can have a better idea of the land around me, but I have no screenshot software.

Actually, you do. It's MSPaint, which comes with every version of windows.

Hit print-screen while the screen is on what you want to take a picture of. This will copy it to the clipboard. Then do a Start/Run/MSPAINT, and it will load paint up. Once it's loaded, do an Edit/Paste, and it will copy the screen to the program. Save it as a .gif or .jpg, and then attach it in your post.

Or you could use the free ScreenPrint link in my sig. But that needs some customizing before you can post screenies.

 

[BrutalGodProjek]

Actually, you do. It's MSPaint, which comes with every version of windows.

Hit print-screen while the screen is on what you want to take a picture of. This will copy it to the clipboard. Then do a Start/Run/MSPAINT, and it will load paint up. Once it's loaded, do an Edit/Paste, and it will copy the screen to the program. Save it as a .gif or .jpg, and then attach it in your post.

Or you could use the free ScreenPrint link in my sig. But that needs some customizing before you can post screenies.

Oh yeah?! I'll try this out right now, thanks.

 

[BrutalGodProjek]

Here's a pic of my surroundings, thanks to turner for showing me how its done.

 

[RegentMan]

Wow... I hate getting goody hut cities because they are always in a horrible spot. But yours is in a pretty nice area! I always chop then road. Saves time. Although I always try to pair up my workers.

 

[Puppeteer]

This early in the game I wouldn't chop the jungle yet. The city will be very nice in the future, but for now if you can manage an extra worker I'd road the silks next to the capitol, then road through the jungle to the city and the spices. But I'd only do this if there are no unimproved flat tiles being worked during the expansion phase or I felt the city is strategically important for an early war and want to be able to get troops to/from there quickly. (Coming back to this paragraph from later, roading the silks is a fairly early priority depending on difficulty level, but if you make a worker in the 2nd city he would handle the rest of the jungle roading.)

This early in the game I wouldn't bother clearing jungle.

Also, I would look into pop-rushing a culture building in the jungle city so the borders expand; it will pick up two bonus grassland tiles that will make it actually productive.

I see you're making a worker there. Probably a good idea depending on how close the neighbors are and how plentiful the barbs are. I'd have to consider a bit whether to rush a temple first, build a worker or build a warrior there.

As far as when to start chopping jungle tiles, that's when my workers start running out of things to do, with judgement calls for improving corrupt towns and improving hills and/or mountains. I usually seem to have monarchy or republic right around the time I'm finishing improving the flat tiles and I feel behind because I shoulda had some hills ready for the new government.

 

[thetrooper]

@BGP: that is one of the least shield productive capitals I've ever seen
Coast-tiles, one whale out at sea, one BG and the rest are pure grassland when you chop that forest. Ouch!

 

[RegentMan]

What forest?

 

[TyranusBonehead]

Doesn't *any* good come from putting a city down in a jungle? I thought that if you cleaned up the jungle around the city it was easy shields for production.

I often will do the same thing to quickly get a luxury, put a city down near it so it falls within the city's borders. And I have done the same thing by putting a city in a jungle, next to a luxury, then cleaning up the jungle for the shields.

 

[Scuffer]

I would say there can be a lot of good from jungle cities. To begin with, it's another city you can build units in, although slowly. If you don't go building improvements, it'll still give some gold, it'll give unit support. One day, if things are cleared it can be productive. I wouldn't put one there first unless there was a resource, but I'd build it if I had no where else.

 

[Puppeteer]

In the early game putting a city in a jungle is probably only good for claiming territory or a luxury and increasing unit support under Despotism/Monarchy, and even then you want/need to take valuable worker turns to road to the city (without clearing jungle). Later in the game when you have spare workers I like clearing jungles with teams of four: clear first, then improve and road. Jungle clears to grassland or bonus grassland but doesn't give the one-time 10-shield chop bonus like forests do.

After clearing the jungle it can be a very productive city, and later in the game rubber or some other good strategic resoures might be where the jungle was.

When I'm REXing I generally fill up the good territory first, then jungles, then desert, then tundra. (Lots of variation depending on circumstances.)

In this game the jungle city is free and even has 2 BG tiles if he were to manage a temple. However I notice another civ's border close to the SW; It may be more important to expand that way quickly or even attack that civ early which may affect what he does with the jungle city. At least you have 4 more units' worth of support!